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Then there wouldn't be any reason to think about making a trade. -
Minor League Discussion & Boxes 6-11-12
jersey cubs fan replied to Outshined_One's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
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You don't think GMs looked at an offer and weighed it against draft pick compensation they would be entitled to if they lost the player in FA? No, they didn't weight it against it, because by and large, any decent prospect package is going to be worth the chance that you might get sombody with the 42nd pick who can one day be as highly rated as the prospects you got. It obviously influenced decisions, but compensation was no guarantee (there was always the threat that the player would accept your arbitration offer) and the value of those things just aren't close to equal.
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But it's also not the determining factor in trade decisions that without them, will completely shut down the market. It was mostly a way for cost conscious teams to justify giving up their prospects for veterans who helped them in the short-term. Straight up cash probably played a bigger role in the trading atmosphere the last 5 years.
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Because prospects aren't compensation picks. Prospects are known quantities right now, even if all that is known is how they are handling professional baseball. Compensation picks after the 1st and 2nd round of next year's draft are the furthest thing from a known quantity you can get for a GM who needs to win soon. You don't know who will be available, let alone if you can sign them or how they will handle extended spring training. Prospects are generally considered a year away when teams go trading their vets for them. A potential comp pick (which you don't even really know if you can get at the time of the trade) is a year away from being drafted and likely a year and a half away from getting into your system, then another 4-5 years away from contributing to your team. It's apples and oranges and a completely absurd comparison.
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Wesley Snipes? Maybe I'll just call him Blade. He looks nothing like Wesley Snipes and is about 9" taller. Unless you think.....nevermind. He was confused by that Face Off remake starring Wesley Snipes and the guy who played Bubba in Forrest Gump.
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I'd assume he becomes a free agent. Assuming this is year 1, Soler would have to be in the big leagues for good after 1.25-1.5 minor league seasons. I doubt it's a problem. Yeah, if he's able to opt out of the deal for arbitration reasons, then he's opted out and presumably would be just like any other free agent to be.
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Nice article. And the comments show just how impossible it is to overcome that perception. people don't like cutler, he's got that frat boy persona that people bristle at. of all the quarterbacks in the league, i can say that for this team, for sure, i'd take rodgers above him. everyone else is speculative. The thing about Cutler's frat boy persona is I don't think he has a frat boy persona at all. If anything, he comes off like a guy who couldn't care less about frats trying to get him to pledge.
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So, when none of that worked out, should the first response have been to question the organizational development strategy (of which there apparently was none)? First thought should have been, "it's stupid for anybody to pencil in an entirely internally created roster a few years down the line", and then, "especially since Hendry's Cubs are terrible at developing prospects."
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Very true. And that's pretty much what Goldstein said a little bit ago. He said he could see the Cubs getting a top 10 organizational guy for Dempster, which would obviously be great. Top 10 organizational guy? As in top 10 in the organization. Can't tell whether that would mean our organization or the trading one, but I'd guess the latter. Couldn't tell if he meant top 10 prospect or some subset of prospects within each organization, that everybody refers to as organizational players.
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Very true. And that's pretty much what Goldstein said a little bit ago. He said he could see the Cubs getting a top 10 organizational guy for Dempster, which would obviously be great. Top 10 organizational guy?
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It probably won't make him a bargain. But it's not about bargains, it's about getting productivity.
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So with Soler, Jackson, Almora and Szczur the Cubs now have what they never had under Hendry, and what forced them into the Soriano situation, depth in the OF. They were constantly bringing in other guys for the OF and completely devoid of help options to Soriano deal, which pretty much meant they had no choice but to acquire him. Hopefully they can get to a point where they are continuously bringing up their own OF depth.
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One of these things, is not like the others... Yeah, I know. But with the lack of bats likely to show up on the market, I do think we could net a surprising return for him. You shouldn't be surprised to get a live human for him. But the return won't move the team from top ten to top 5.
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Every team, except the Cubs, probably considered it, but it didn't shape the trade market.
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One of these things, is not like the others...
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http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/blog/_/name/law_keith/id/8038230/jorge-soler-talent-top-five-pick-mlb-draft#comment So I assume that means it's a 9 year deal up until the point in which he's built up enough service time for arbitration purposes. Still makes plenty of sense for the Cubs. In reality it's probably something like a 6 year deal with the majority of money tied up early, so 6/27 could be it.
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It's not really nuts at all. 30 for 9 years is a no brainer actually.(from a FO perspective) It's justifiable, but relative to what 19 year olds who are years from the majors, especially ones with such a limited scoutable resume, tend to get, it's nuts.
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It is nuts. And it never would have happened if the rule change wasn't coming up. But it's nuts on a relative smaller scale and a risk worth taking.
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Richard Hidalgo. I just made that up, or rather it popped into my head
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This. MMA has replaced the niche that boxing once filled. Nah, boxing fans just get old and die and aren't replaced. If anything MMA pulls fans from rasslin'. and competitive douchin'
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It's still not as valuable as the top pick in basketball or football. One player can make an organization in the NBA in ways that no player in MLB can even come close to doing.
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No way you're aren't going to be productive if the Cubs get this done. You'll be joining the joyful explosion this thread will become. I would predict brief display of relief if they get him compared to pissed off implosion if they don't.
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nice face goal off the set piece (is that what a 'set piece' is?)
