Haven't you been paying attention? It's now about a blockbuster Santana-Lincecum-Cain-Bedard-Roberts-Griffey-Crawford-ARod for Patterson-Murton-Cedeno-Gallagher-Marshall-Lieber-Colvin trade Man, I'm glad we're going to get this done without giving up Pie and Hill..... Hendry truly is amazing. Yeah, but is Griffey that much of an upgrade over Pie? He's at least a marginal upgrade over Pie, maybe even a significant upgrade - it just depends on what you define marginal and significant as. He's definitely not a minor upgrade, though. :wink: He's like a -20 defensive CF these days. Pie's at least +10. If we assume a .295 EqA for Griffey (hes done that once in the least four years) and assume a gets enough PT for 400 outs (he hasn't topped that figure in the last NINE seasons), as long as Pie EqA's .250 it's a tie. In other words, if Pie hits like Ryan Theriot he's an upgrade over Griffey in CF. See I don't hate Pie. i don't either...i am extremely partial to cherry sweet potato is good as well