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Golly Gee Whillackers, Batman! Almost 15 a year huh?

thats about perfect

Please elaborate. :lol: After pierre lazily fielded the ball, allowing Snell to go to third, Aramis threw his hands in the air and leaned his head back. He was obviously frustrated.

I dont know if anyone else is getting the pittsburgh feed, but Aramis is NOT happy with juan pierre

Howard homered again tonight. Before the year people said he might hit 50 one year. He's going to hit sixty this year.

I was on the Fredi Gonzalez train until i learned that he was on an episode of blue collar comedy tv or whatever. give me dierker or give me death

I agree that at this point there's nothing we can do put hope for the best, but I dont see the harm in questioning the Colvin pick. With Wilken in tow we all were primed for a productive draft. Didn't BP call the Wilken signing the best FA signing of the offseason? I believe that Wilken knows what he's doing, he certainly has a track record and he wouldn't have gotten the recognition that he has without producing in the past. What this thread is about, however, is that at the time of the draft, we all expected more than Colvin. The second he was drafted, the pick was immediately panned and questioned. Now, there are numbers that support the questioning of the pick. I mean, if you wanted Snider over Colvin in June, how do you feel now? Before they started playing, all we had to go on were scouting reports, now we have scouting reports and a few months of numbers supporting Snider over Colvin.

But this gets back to UK's point...how will we know Pie will be better than Colvin both offensively and defensively? We all know Pie's ceiling is really good and justifiably merits him being considered one of the Top 25 prospects in all of baseball, but any number of things could happen to him. Let's look at the best case scenario. Even though it may not happen, assume for the sake of the argument that Pie wins the CF job out of spring training in 2007. Over the next two seasons, Pie goes on to play at a high level and lives up to his expectations. Come 2009, Jacque Jones' contract is up and Colvin is ready to be called up to the majors, showing himself to be a bit above average in CF and shows that he could be an ideal middle of the order hitter who can post good OBPs with 20-25 HRs. Pie moves to RF and Colvin gets CF, while the Cubs don't have much in the way of salary tied up in the OF while getting good production from CF and RF. The odds of that happening are miniscule, but it's nice to dream. However, there's always the chance that Pie pulls a CPatt while Colvin goes on to put up Murton-like numbers in High A & AA (only with less patience and better power). If Colvin can put up a comparable OPS to Murton, only from CF with better D, wouldn't that make this pick worthwhile? I'm not predicting Colvin will be an All Star or even make the majors. However, I think this board has largely been jumping the gun with ripping on him and the Cubs for making that pick. The Northwest League is not a place with greatly lesser talent than what Colvin faced in college. Plenty of top college draft picks have started at a comparable or lower level than Colvin. A number of us have also been horribly wrong on a number of occasions when it comes to projecting these things. I'm happy to admit to being among those people. What's going to matter the most for him is next season. He'll probably start in Peoria but be fast-tracked if he performs well enough. We'll find out, one way or another. But dont you think that the odds are that Pie in CF and Snider at 1B/Corner outfield will be better than Pie in a corner/Colvin in CF? Not that Pie has anything to do with my point, who wouldn't rather have Snider at this point? Who wouldnt have rather had Snider before the draft? I hope Colvin does well and I root for him every night, but just like I wanted Milledge instead of Harvey, I wanted Snider instead of Colvin and the results of all 4 of these players paint a sad picture of our recent drafts.

wow, i totally missed the last couple of posts. Donte Stallworth

That's always a good sign. Still, we'll see how he develops and if he can stick at CF. Here's a sobering thought. Even if he sticks at CF, he's only 7 months younger than Pie. Is there any chance that Colvin will be a better player than Felix? Doubtful. You never draft based on potential major league depth, especially when the player in question (Pie) hasn't played in the majors and had a chance to prove he can stick or flounder. It would be similar to 5 years ago, complaining about the Cubs signing Pie from the DR with Patterson almost ready for the majors. I'm not saying they shouldnt have drafted Colvin because of Pie. I think they shouldnt have drafted him because he's not very good. What I was saying is that O_O (and others) have mentioned him maybe sticking at CF. Even if he does, he's only half a year younger than Pie, and he's producing at nowhere near the level Pie is/has. The best case scenario for Colvin at this point appears to be him playing a decent CF and being a decent hitter. Even if his defense in CF is adequate enough to make his bat not a liability, chances are it's a moot point anyway because Pie's defense AND bat will be better. I think that Colvin's performance so far this year just underscores what a bad pick it was. And it's not the same thing as Pie/Patterson situation, besides the fact that that isn't at all what my post implied. Pie was much younger than Colvin when he was signed, and who's to say that we passed up a better prospect for Pie? Did we sign Pie and pass up a more talented player? (Like we did with Colvin/Snider). It isn't the same thing at all.

That's always a good sign. Still, we'll see how he develops and if he can stick at CF. Here's a sobering thought. Even if he sticks at CF, he's only 7 months younger than Pie. Is there any chance that Colvin will be a better player than Felix? Doubtful.

what happened to Dusty?

The point is, Snider was much, much more highly regarded come draft time than our own Tyler Colvin was. 200 at bats later, Colvin looks like he may never be a starter, while Snider looks like he has boat loads of potential. I'm not looking at 200 ab's and saying that Snider is god's gift to outfielders, I'm saying that pre-draft, Snider was a better prospect, and post draft he's a better prospect. Be honest, who would you rather have, the young guy with great numbers or the older guy with mediocre numbers. That's retorical by the way.

:roll: Thats some sample size you got there Colvin is also 3 years older. I forgot to mention that.

Travis Snider .325/.412/.567/.979 30BB in 197 AB Tyler Colvin .282/.329/.455/.784 15BB in 220 AB Thanks Wilken

And people wanted to blame Aramis for 2006 (subtitled "And you want to be my latex salesman)

That's been my take on things. His swing adjustment seems to be driving his current level of performance more than good luck or simply just a hot streak. Is he also getting lucky with more than the usual amounts of balls in play dropping for hits? Yes. But also, no one believes that he is likely to keep up the pace he has been at in August. But his BABIP wasn't that out of line in July, at least not for a guy making up for some bad luck earlier in the season. I think the statistical and anecdotal evidence clearly shows a high likelihood of Harvey having turned a pretty big corner with this swing adjustment. Does he have further to go? Of course. But luckily, he is still rather young. So far in August, he has struck out 17 times and walked 6 times with 1 HBP in 82 ABs. That's not great, but it is better than any other month this year. Now he just has to continue improving... Hell, at this rate I'd take 6 walks every 80 at bats. Especially if they can get him to play CF in the majors.

He was comparing rookies with comparable statistics, I doubt he threw a bunch of pitchers into the white group, skewing all the numbers.

Ok, we're going to go down to Raw, and then you guys send me your teams. ill upload them and then you can screw around on waiver pickups until the season starts

jay feely

1. Gallagher 1a. Veal (I voted Gallagher due to my adherence to the alphabetical order.) 2. Pie 3. Who cares

I heard that Isiah Thomas was interested.

I agree. Not getting out is waaaay lame. Yeah man. Every fantasy league I've ever played in has obp as a stat. Oh wait, no league I've ever played in has that as a stat. Never mind. A bunch nerds like the fantasy geeks you talked about use computers to research crap like medicine, science, and technology. I don't have a lot of use for that stuff. If I get constant headaches, I'm not gonna go get a "CT Scan." If I have horrible vision, I'm not going to get "laser surgery." Basically, everything that I need to know, I learned when I was 6. Everything else is frivolous gobbily-[expletive] that can't in any way educate me further on a subject I'm interested or teach me anything of value that would help me along in life. Critical thinking is almost as lame as not getting out in baseball. Almost. Come on, wolf. You know that that's way out of line. I want to reiterate Cuse's post, there has been a lot of border-line stuff. This is a nice, interesting thread. Please stick to the rules, folks. Not a single thing in that post is anywhere near as inflammatory as "stat geek" and "fantasy baseball nerds" that a certain minor league announcer has used.

Is this sarcastic? If Bronson can do it, anyone can!

How in the world can people that get paid to analyze baseball be so completely wrong in how they view and judge it? It's mind-boggling to me.