Except that no, it wasn't a fluke. It was terrible defending by Vidic and Rio. Vidic got a piece of the ball and it deflected off of Rio's back right into the path of Lampard, and that's not a fluke? That's just football. Goals like that happen all the time. Lucky, I guess, I just don't like people discounting them as if they shouldn't have happened. I was in a bad mood. Completely agree that that's just football, I'm not saying it shouldn't have happened just that Utd could've been 3-0 up early on, just like Chelsea could've been 3-1 up at FT. I understand your mood, re-hashing a CL final lost on PKs obviously isn't ideal. Thanks for the quick responses, I'm not on here daily and sometimes I feel like you guys are probably done talking about some of the things I come here to comment on. I think pretty much everyone here is ready to talk about all matches past, present, and future. Given this thread is 152 pages long only a few of us using it says something ;-). Anyways US/England tomorrow, follow by Euro's in the very near future :amen: