KingCubsFan

Our payroll isn't really that much higher than it was last year. We just made a lot of long-term commitments so every media outlet can use the "300 million" line at least 4 times when mentioning the Cubs. And it wouldn't really have made a difference if Dusty had this team or last year's team. If Dusty was still manager, we'd probably be at least 6 games under by now. Izturis would have started every game, Eyre would still be the set-up man, Jacque would be hitting 2nd every game, Wade Miller would be our 4th starter (with Rich Hill our 5th) and Michael Wuertz wouldn't even be on the team.

You can find that quote with the daily Carrie "literary scribe" at cubs.com. The difference is that the veterans Piniella is referring to are actually pretty good players, whereas Baker would talk about sitting a top prospect in favor of people like Neifi

I feel for you. Mine was thursday

Matt Murton: Officially the worst baserunner on the team. He's like the white Moises

Wow I thought that was long gone

That's what I would think too

That has been discussed. The guys in Mississippi mentioned it as well. But he really is a good defensive catcher. My guess is that he'll be traded, but it won't happen unless the Braves get what they really want. He definitely won't be moved for Jacque Jones. The Braves might take Pie and Ohman for him. The Braves may very well value him differently from the rest of the league. We here should be very familiar with that. The fact is, league-wide his stock has fallen. I'm in no way stating that he doesn't have a bright future, I'm just saying that he isn't viewed as a can't miss prospect anymore. I also think many here undervalue Jacque Jones. It's all subjective, but when people act like I'm proposing a Cedeno + cash for Jesus Christ deal, it comes off as a little ridiculous. Can you provide some sort of evidence for the fact that his stock has fallen so dramatically over the year that we could get him for a player that, apparently, no one wants? Baseball America has him among the top 40 prospects in the game and he's still the Braves #1 prospect. He's off to a good start this year, and the reason his numbers were so poor last year was that his wrist was injured for the whole first half and he batted .197. As a prospect, I would say he's probably about equal to Pie (Pie is higher, but not as much as you'd think) http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/SALTALAMA19850502A.php I assume you are familiar with Pie's projected WARP and major league equivalents. Salty has a nice upside, I will not deny that, but to imply that a contender would laugh at a cheap Jacque Jones to fill out their lineup..... You say he obviously has no value, while I think he certainly does. I have a feeling we'll find out soon. Honestly, I wouldn't pay too much attention to those, since they are skewed by the fact that he did so awful last year while trying to play through a wrist injury. Let's see how he does this year while healthy. And I never said that Jacque Jones doesn't have value, or that a team would laugh at Jacque Jones. Unlike a lot of people on this site, I actually think Jones is a useful player, and he's probably underrated at the moment. But I don't think he's worth a premium prospect, and I don't think the Cubs will get one for him (unless they're trading with the Pirates).

That has been discussed. The guys in Mississippi mentioned it as well. But he really is a good defensive catcher. My guess is that he'll be traded, but it won't happen unless the Braves get what they really want. He definitely won't be moved for Jacque Jones. The Braves might take Pie and Ohman for him. The Braves may very well value him differently from the rest of the league. We here should be very familiar with that. The fact is, league-wide his stock has fallen. I'm in no way stating that he doesn't have a bright future, I'm just saying that he isn't viewed as a can't miss prospect anymore. I also think many here undervalue Jacque Jones. It's all subjective, but when people act like I'm proposing a Cedeno + cash for Jesus Christ deal, it comes off as a little ridiculous. Can you provide some sort of evidence for the fact that his stock has fallen so dramatically over the year that we could get him for a player that, apparently, no one wants? Baseball America has him among the top 40 prospects in the game and he's still the Braves #1 prospect. He's off to a good start this year, and the reason his numbers were so poor last year was that his wrist was injured for the whole first half and he batted .197. As a prospect, I would say he's probably about equal to Pie (Pie is higher, but not as much as you'd think)

If that inning took place last year: the 8 hitter, angel pagan, probably would have swung at the first pitch. Fly out, 1 out rich hill then would have attempted a suicide squeeze, and probably failed because he can't bunt. He eventually strikes out, 2 out Soriano strikes out, 3 outs 1 run, bases left loaded

very good point I was thinking that too. Then I realized anyone who can't pick up the sarcasm in a Jacque Jones and Cesar Izturis for ARod trade, is a moron and I don't care if they are apart of NSBB. Now if you wanna talk about the joke being overused, I can get on board with that. On sports talk radio though and several message boards I've seen, people propose trades like that all the time-and they are completely serious. This board isn't exactly immune from that sort of thing http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=1296556#1296556

This is stupid. Pie hasn't shown he belongs here yet, and Jones hasn't shown he can't play CF. Is he really worse than Soriano?

If we can get top prospects just for Jacque Jones, I'd rather have Nick Adenhart

Patterson ahead of Young and Wood? :roll:

Rather than throw off the alignment of the page. (A LOT OF EYE ROLL SMILEYS.) Stats behind it: Rangers fall to 2-3 in games Sosa homers in. Orioles in '05: 7-4 in games Sosa homered in. (O's were also a TERRIBLE team) Cubs in '04: 20-12 with Sosa homer Cubs in '03: 24-10 Cubs in '02: (even worse than the '05 O's) 23-21 Should I keep going or should I wait for the anecdotal evidence of "all those times Sammy hit those meaningless HRs in the 9th and kissed the camera and walked out early on the team and corked his bat and did steroids" Cause if that's all that's coming, I'd rather not sit and count the games in which he hits is 64 HRs in '01 just to show they had a great record in those games. Wow, you caught some serious feelings there. Did Sammy pull you out of a burning car? All I was talking about was the fact that Sosa was on a lot of bad teams with the Cubs, and they tended to lose a lot.

Sosa hits 2 HR's and his team loses 9-4...some things never change

Making first round picks and Latin American scouting are very different

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That's reserved solely for Jacque

Just wait until Manuel gets fired and they bring in Dusty. Hamels has already broken his arm once

Don't we have a week or so before we need the 5th starter again? Why don't we just DFA Miller, bring up another reliever and keep Pie? That way, Lou can his 7 relievers without taking away a bench spot. Guzman can be recalled when we'll need the 5th starter again

Miller and Pie down and Guzman up tomorrow morning? Has it been 10 days?

Why do you even through a fastball in the strike zone at all to Preston Wilson?

He makes a good point about Clemens. I don't know he's been able to escape suspicion for so long. Most of baseball thought he was done about 10 years ago, and then he proceeds to become an all-time great with great seasons in his late 30's.

I can't wait until the new owner(s) fire Hendry. Could Hendry not score from third either?

What exactly did Murton do?