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Why? That's a disappointment waiting to happen I would rather add someone to hit behind Ramirez, where Dunn should be used as a #2 hitter. Griffey would be a better hitter behind Aramis, so thats who I would rather have. In what world should a guy who hits 40 homers every year and can't do anything a number two hitter is supposed to do hit second instead of fourth? In the world of .377 career OBPs. I actually like Dunn hitting 3rd though. Why not 4th? You have the R-L-R order and a ton of OBP for Ramirez, who has always been our best RBI guy

Why? That's a disappointment waiting to happen

Z's going to hurt himself again with all the time he'll spending on the internet over the next few weeks

Alex Gonzalez and 3 bits of string for Nomar and Murton Hundley for Grudz and Karros LaTroy for Aardsma and Jerome Williams. With all of Jim Hendry's faults, and there are many, I have no clue why somebody would try and pinpoint his trading as being the problem. it's the one thing he's actually done well. The Hundley trade was dumb luck at its finest. When that trade was made, everyone was irritated because it got an old player to block our best prospect at the time (Choi), and they were right to be. Nobody knew Choi would stink, including Hendry who was as high on him as everyone else by all accounts. The Nomar trade was probably a good trade, but based on the information from that time, it looked like we gave up a lot to get a lot, so we certainly didn't fleece anyone. It wasn't 3 bits of string. We gave up what were, at the time, two of our better prospects in Harris and Justin Jones, as well as a decent prospect in Beltran. Beltran never amounted to much and Harris didn't have any success in the majors (until this season in Tampa where he's hitting for an over .850 OPS playing SS). I have no idea what happened to Jones. There's also the fact that what we gave up would never have gotten close to getting Nomar if he hadn't been a disgruntled player with a NTC demanding a trade to somewhere he approved of. How much credit a GM gets in a case like this is debateable. Aardsma and Williams sucked, and he traded Aardsma for someone equally sucky and arguably worse. This example is not as helpful to your argument as the other two. Actually I was wrong about the Pittsburgh trade. I thought Lofton and Simon were in one deal and Ramirez the other, making 2 good trades, but Lofton and Ramirez were in the same trade, so that's only one good one. If we include the Nomar deal, that's still 3 good trades. Here are some BAD trades. Pierre for Mitre, Nolasco, and Pinto... awful and indefensible then, now, or any period between. Maddux for Izturis... same Patterson for two less than great prospects... considering what he would have gotten in trade earlier in his career, this looks rather bad. The Barrett trade... again, the problem is timing, why not wait for his value to increase (the stats suggest his hitting will rebound). So, if you look at his great trades and his stinkers, maybe they cancel out and make him .500 in the trades department. That's not good for a baseball team or a GM. It doesn't make up for his lack in other areas. Hundley trade: All you can say is that it was dumb luck? You have to give him credit for it, and Grudzelanek had good years after the trade. That was good scouting and finding good fits for the team. Nomar trade: Again, you're trying to take away any credit Hendry gets for assembling that trade at the last minute. That trade didn't fall in his lap like you suggest. Not to mention he also picked up Murton, who will most likely have a better major league career than any of the other prospects. Getting LaTroy Hawkins for anything at that point should be considered a success, especially two young pitchers with a lot of upside. Randall Simon: Bit players like him really shouldn't factor into the question, but he was a good pinch hitter down the stretch. I don't remember giving up anything significant to get him. Pierre was a terrible trade. Maddux was a bad trade, although we really weren't going to get much for him regardless. Barrett trade was a result of unfortunate events, but is it really worth waiting a month to see if his offensive numbers pick up when everyone could see how much he was struggling mentally? He's in the last year of his contract and he's a 31 year old catcher. The Cubs are trying to salvage their season, and it would be equally bad if Hendry kept an unhappy player with no long term future on the team with the hope of getting a better prospect.

Alex Gonzalez and 3 bits of string for Nomar and Murton Hundley for Grudz and Karros LaTroy for Aardsma and Jerome Williams. With all of Jim Hendry's faults, and there are many, I have no clue why somebody would try and pinpoint his trading as being the problem. it's the one thing he's actually done well. Yeah, his problem is building an entire team, not making individual trades. And as for the A's, they traded Hudson and Mulder out of money concerns

Silver's premise was good, but he went about it the wrong way. In almost every example of those individual players being traded, there were outside factors involved in their values being downgraded (i.e. Hendry could never have predicted Barrett would fight Zambrano in the clubhouse and argue with Hill the following week). And most of those players turned out to be worse after they were traded. He should have focused on the fact that they basically change the team philosophy every year. 2004 was power pitching and power hitting. 2005 became Team Chemistry. 2006 was Speed Never Slumps. 2007 is inning eaters and a return to power hitters. If Hendry would have just stuck with his preference for power hitters and power pitchers (which was his original philosophy) we'd probably be in better shape.

what year was this?

They'd downgrade by getting Jones, sounds like selling to me. He could be Dye or Podsednik's replacement

i'm in a good mood, so i won't bust out the eye roll I'll do it for you. :roll: Ok you convinced me - he has looked outstanding both behind the plate and on the basepaths Do you consider Manny Ramirez a bad baseball player? In true Joe Morgan fashion I will tell you no I don't but I don't watch Manny every day either. Having said that Manny OPS+ 129; Barret OPS+ 80 - I believe that gives Manny just a little more room to make gaffes in the field and on the basepaths. Not to mention Manny is a LF while Barrett is a catcher Um, that hurts your argument. Manny makes boneheaded plays and costs lots of runs in one of the easiest defensive positions. My point is the reasoning for calling Barrett a bad baseball player(always you said, even when he was putting up great OPS+s) was bad baserunning and bad defense, which Manny certainly trumps him in. Is there any stat that shows how much each player's defense costs their teams? Because, IIRC, when there was talk of Manny being traded, many on this board were posting stats showing that Manny really wasn't that bad in the field, and that his defensive lapses were overblown. Either way, it's pretty worthless to compare Barrett to Ramirez. Totally different players at different positions.

i'm in a good mood, so i won't bust out the eye roll I'll do it for you. :roll: Ok you convinced me - he has looked outstanding both behind the plate and on the basepaths Do you consider Manny Ramirez a bad baseball player? In true Joe Morgan fashion I will tell you no I don't but I don't watch Manny every day either. Having said that Manny OPS+ 129; Barret OPS+ 80 - I believe that gives Manny just a little more room to make gaffes in the field and on the basepaths. Not to mention Manny is a LF while Barrett is a catcher

The media has. Have Bulls not worked out PG's? Was there not conjecture about Kirk's efficacy as the orchestrator of the offense? I think Hinrich's inconsistency will be or has already been his undoing. I think it's a safe bet he will not be the Bulls' PG for much longer. All of the PG's they've worked out have been tall. I just think they're looking for a taller combo guard that could back up both positions if necessary

I'm really beginning to believe that there is much more to the "half the team hates Lou" thing than is being reported. Nothing is ever his fault. It's always "So and so needs to change his stance" or "get some players in here that can do ". I have not heard Lou say "You know, I screwed up putting Eyre in a 1 run game in the 8th", or "Maybe I shouldn't have Will Ohman face right handers". If he said something like that, half this board would be up in arms claiming he threw the player under the bus by basically stating that Eyre sucks. It's not Lou's fault that Eyre can't do his job. He gave Eyre a shot, he failed numerous times, and now he's basically not getting any work. He's done that with every player on the team, and some (Theriot) have seized the opportunity. The players that don't like Lou, I'd imagine, are the ones who aren't performing, and the only one with a legitimate reason is Murton. The rest should just go and complain to Dusty.

I think the real question is whether he's ready defensively

The only reason is Floyd's health (and his father's). And this isn't just a Floyd vs Murton debate. It's primarily Jones who has trumped both in playing time. You don't really believe that do you? Floyd has missed 4 games because of his father (maybe 3 considering he was available to play last night). He wouldn't have started all those games. Murton has been injured too. Agree on Jones, though. With Pie playing everyday, he's become worthless considering he's forgotten how to hit.

Daily Reminder: Cliff Floyd at-bats: 111 Matt Murton at-bats: 116 For a board that prides itself on statistical analysis, I am shocked that this appears to get by everyone. And Murton has had more at bats than Floyd for a large part of the season.

HE DOESN'T PLAY MURTON EVERY GAME!!!! HE'S TERRIBLE AND NEEDS TO BE FIRED!!!

Anyone have any reports on how Moore's defense is at SS? It would be very interesting if he could play average defense at the ML level

Adam Miller>>>>>>Any Mets prospect

Dude is crazy for threatening to kill his wife. He's still got lots of potential though, only batting .212 this year but with a .332 OBP (which isn't that good, but it's decent for the .212 average), and on pace to hit 30+ HR. Felix Pie is basically Elijah Dukes, and he probably won't kill anyone. Let someone else have him

The Cubs are babies if true. Nut up, and start playing baseball. If there's a dumber phrase than "nut up" I have yet to hear it. Is there any report that the Cubs players are actually complaining b/c Lou's mean or too hard on them or is that just what some here are assuming? Maybe the players just think Lou's an incompetent manager and that's frustrating them. Being frustrated with incompetent leadership is human nature. Doesn't make you baby. If you think your leader is doing a bad job of leading, you're supposed to sit quietly and smile while he drives you off the cliff? If the players were actually frustrated with incompetent leadership, they wouldn't have all stood behind Dusty Baker as he led them off the cliff. Quite simply, Piniella has probably taken them out of their comfort zones and held them accountable for their own mistakes. And a lot of them don't like it because they're not used to it. If certain players don't like it, get rid of them; there are only 4 or 5 players who are truly important on the team anyways. I'm still trying to figure out how Piniella has thrown anyone under the bus. All I've heard is him commenting on the obvious mistakes his stupid, clueless team makes game after game and how they have to get better.

That's what Pie, EPatt, and Soto are for. Z and Murton for Kemp and Billingsley Pie/Kemp and Gallagher for Teixeira EDIT: Soriano, EPatt/DeRosa, Lee, Tex, ARam, Pie, Soto, Theriot Hill, Lilly, Marquis, Marshall, Billingsley Are you assuming Texiera can play OF?

Lynch's record as GM: 414-472 .467 Hendry's: 377-401 .485 # of Playoff Appearances: Lynch: 1 Hendry: 1 # of Playoff Victories: Lynch: 0 Hendry: 6 # of Division Titles: Hendry: 1 Lynch: 0 Neither of them were (are) very good, but Lynch was worse. He caught lightning in a bottle with a bunch of veterans and benefited from Sammy Sosa's sudden emergence as a Hall of Famer to win the WC one year, and that was it.

Play again tomorrow and lose

Can't be, he's a horse. It's all mental. I put him on the DL tomorrow. Put Guzman back in rotation. Let the new guy catch for the rest of the series. Call-up Pie for center and bench Jones. Awesome fight in the dugout. Awesome. I think it depends if you still want to trade him. If you still want something for him, there's no sense in putting him on the DL, injured or not. If you want to try and sign him cheaply, then I agree an MRI + DL stint is in order

He threw in the mid 90's in high school. I doubt he'll be able to reach that again, but the Padres have to salvage something. Was this the worst #1 pick in professional sports over the last 10 years?