Gray AND Doolittle, with Eloy involved, would make sense in lots of ways. Even though they're aren't many deals with multiple major pieces involved, going to the buyer.....Billy was on the opposite side of a deal like this with us very recently. We took one elite prospect in return for two starting pitchers. There was McKinney and Straily too, that were lesser pieces, but still valuable. I'll try to compare the deals..... Sonny Gray has an extra year of control than Shark did. Injury-prone, but probably more upside than what Shark was still considered to have at that stage? I don't know. Cancelling out the injury issues, with the extra year though, I'd say those two were at least in the same general value range..... Jason Hammel was pitching well, but was a rental. Its hard to compare his value to Doolittle. Hell, its really hard to value Doolittle, by himself. He's got 3 and a half years of control left. 3/16.85 after this season, and 2 of those years are team options even. He was really, really horsefeathering good a few years ago. But 2015 saw him throw just a handful of innings. 2016 saw him throw 60% of a season or so. And now, he's started this season late, but in his handful of innings, he's been dominant..... So, how do you value him? He's worth more than Hammel. Probably by far, considering good relievers prices.....And he's pitching his ass off right now, so they're selling high on him. Plus, he's got 3 years of control. So, on that side of the trade, I'd say Gray and Doolittle have a solid amount of value more than Shark and Hammel did. But, with Doolittle, its really hard to gauge, because teams desperate for relief, like Washington, may blow everyone else out of the water, for a guy like him..... On the prospects side, the headliners would be Russell vs Eloy. Russell was probably a top 5 guy, while Eloy is probably a top 10 type, at this stage. Plus, Addy was a middle of the diamond guy, so even if you valued the difference from 5 to 10 as negligible, I'd say that positional value gives Addy at least a slight edge here in headliners..... So now, if you're going for equal type of packages.....We want MORE than what Oakland wanted from us a few years ago. And our lead piece is slightly less than what theirs was too. However, this CAN be made up. McKinney was Oakland's 2nd best prospect and we got him in the Shark deal. Is Cease considered a better prospect than him? I'd say so. Probably enough of a difference between them to make Eloy/Cease as valuable as Addy/McKinney.... Straily was a borderline throw in, but had potential. He had been struggling in the majors, I'd say he was probably valued about like Eddie Butler honestly, when we acquired him. I don't think we'd deal Butler right now, as we still need depth.(we could, but we'd still need to go get more). Alec Mills? Same value as Straily, at that point? Sure, why not? I'll assume his current injury is still not arm related. He came back from his ankle injury for one outing, then got DL'd again. So, in my mind, Eloy/Cease/Mills is even to Addy/McKinney/Straily..... The issue now though is quantifying Doolittle's value over Hammel's. Unfortunately, that's hard to do. But, I'll say its a pretty solid amount, because he's pitching his ass off right now and the team control attached..... Caratini, one of Candelario or Zagunis, and one of Hatch or Alzolay? Too much? I'd typically agree. Get rid of Mills, hes not needed now. But, I think Doolittle on his own is going to fetch quite a package, in this market. And to get the pair, its going to cost a bit extra..... Kind of goes back to TT asking about trying to find the middle ground on packages like this, getting 2 good players....The Nats could get nutty and offer Robles for Doolittle. It wouldn't shock me. If so, there's no reason for them to deal both to us. They can move Gray to Houston, with Martes or Tucker as the lead piece, unless we do Eloy in a deal for just Gray. And come out with Robles and one of them, which beats Eloy and Cease considerably, at the top end, for us to move grab the pair of those guys..... So, in my opinion, what it'd TAKE to get Gray and Doolittle in the same deal is Eloy, Cease, Caratini, one of Zagunis or Candelario, and one of Alzolay or Hatch. I'm not condoning it. Just saying this is what I'd expect them to cost. High price? Sure is. Risky? Sure is. And if the Nats or some other team is looking for pen help, its very likely they can offer up a guy who's clearly a top 50 guy and ruin any shot of getting both anyway. Because there's not enough difference between Eloy and a Kyle Tucker or Clint Frazier to where it'd make sense for them to trade both to us. Lots of rambling in this, trying to get to a conclusion.....Its going to really horsefeathering hurt to try to get them both, is the bottom line. And it'll be hard as hell to accomplish too, due to different teams needs.....