BigbadB

Very well stated. While you mentioned deals where the Cubs continue giving up young talent that depletes the farm system, I would also add that other similar deals where they didn't get young talent in return is also an example of poor management. I know everyone hates to see this in print, but Greg Maddux for Cesar Izturis is exactly what I'm talking about. If or when you are giving up on the season, you trade your assets (players who other teams find valuable that aren't necessarily in future plans) for players who have some potential rather than for a guy you know is going to suck.

I was on board for a deal that brought Roberts, but I liked the originally rumored deals much better than I like these current rumors. I like Murton, but he's a 4th outfielder on this current roster and not expected to see much playing time with the likes of Kosuke and Soriano manning the corner outfield spots and DeRosa supposedly handling super sub/ph duties. Patterson is not a significant loss to the major league club, either, considering the depth the organization has in CF. Gallagher hurts, but we would still have Marshall to stick in the rotation. This latest proposal makes no sense. First off, Murton for Payton is just plain stupid. Murton is more valuable than Payton and he makes less money. Cedeno is currently my #1 option at SS going into '08 if Cubs management refuses to let DeRosa play there. We have zero depth at SS if Cedeno is traded, and I have nothing good to say about Alex Cintron as a veteran back up. Trading Gallagher AND Marshall is beyond stupid as well. Basically, the depth of the rotation would be wiped out, and I'm not really sold that we even have any depth in the rotation with both of them still with the club. As has been pointed out numerous times, Roberts would be a slight upgrade to DeRosa at 2nd. DeRosa strengthens the bench significantly, so overall adding Roberts wouldn't be the worse idea ever. I'd like it even more if DeRosa would be considered for SS. But, when you deal away talent for improvements to your team, you deal from your strengths not from your weaknesses. Currently, the starting rotation and shortstop are weaknesses and would be weakened even further by removing these parts. If that's the proposed deal, I'd pass. Cedeno at SS, DeRosa at 2nd and one of Gallagher or Marshall in the rotation is better than Roberts at 2nd, Theriot at SS and some crappy veteran high risk low reward has been starting pitcher occupying the 5th rotation slot.

The fact that Cedeno was mentioned and not Murton makes me think, that if Roberts were to come to the Cubs, that Lou would make DeRosa the starting SS. While I would hope that would happen, I don't see it happening. Cubs management seems to think Theriot is the guy for the job at SS, and they have also made it sound as if they like DeRosa in a Super-Sub role.

New? Please define new.

Ha! Mets now have Carlos Beltran and Carlos Beltran Jr. backing him up.

Sounds like the Mets might be about ready to make a big deal involving Carlos Gomez.

Wow. Looks like Fuld has a leg up on the 5th outfield spot. Unless the Cubs bring in some veteran hack.

Every single with Kendall behind the dish is basically an automatic double waiting to happen. Sure glad he's someone else's problem.

the title will get changed if something happens

Wrigley, let's talk. Theriot isn't good at getting on base, don't be fooled like I was, look at his OBP!!!!! He's a really nice option at super-sub, that's it! Theriot would not be a really nice option at super-sub. Theriot would be "okay" as a utility player.

He'd likely do less damage in the NHL, too. Drafting, signing and trading for guys he knows nothing about might be better than knowing what he's getting and making deals to get them anyway. :wink:

Cleveland, Yes. San Diego, No. San Diego currently has Brian Giles, Jim Edmonds and Scott Hairston penciled into the outfield, and not much of a bench behind those guys. It's rumored that they may move Chase Headley to LF and have him platoon with Hairston, but you still have some major question marks with Giles and Edmonds health. The Padres did sign Tadahito Iguchi to play 2b, but there would still be room for Patterson to back him up and play CF when Edmonds is on the DL. Also, the Padres have a pretty solid front 4 with Peavy, Young, Maddux and Wolf, but the 5th spot right now is up for grabs for a bunch of rehab projects. Gallagher could slot right in there ahead of Estes, Rusch, Prior and Germano. Gallagher, Patterson and Fox would be good fits for San Diego, and Murton is fairly comparable to Scott Hairston, so not so much. But, San Diego would want Cedeno since they don't really have anyone decent to play SS if they did trade Greene. I don't think he's going anywhere anyway.

Article: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=3&articleid=29767 Where do I sign for that line??? Jason Kendall is in the NL Central. I'll be pissed if Soto only steals one base all season. :D I don't know if Soto can even steal a base on Kendall. There are a lot of things he's good at, but speed isn't exactly one of them. I'd put him as the slowest player on last year's team. There's a reason that Soto spent 3 years in AAA and in that time stole exactly 0 bases :D It was sarcasm. Since Soto is going to win the Triple Crown this year, stealing a base or not isn't going to matter in the big picture. :wink:

Article: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/features/column.aspx?sport=MLB&columnid=3&articleid=29767 Where do I sign for that line??? Jason Kendall is in the NL Central. I'll be pissed if Soto only steals one base all season. :D

Don't worry. No one else really cares. Come on now. I care. I think it's great that Fuld won the AFL MVP. I'm not going to write off a guy simply because someone else wants to make a blanket statement that anyone who wins an AFL MVP award is comparable to or will never be anything more than Kevin Orie. That's silly. Whether Fuld amounts to anything remains to be seen. But, if his success in the AFL and future success in AAA or as the 5th outfielder for the Cubs increases his trade value or gives us a cheap bench option for the next few years, I couldn't be happier. Why wouldn't anyone not care at all? There are numerous examples of guys who were not projected as top prospects that ended up having long and great careers in the major leagues. I liken cheering for a guy like Fuld to rooting for the underdog. And there's really nothing wrong with that at all.

i'd hate to sound like i'm lying, but i'd like to think that i'd try to be loyal to the team that drafted/scouted me. OK, Chicago DID NOT OFFER A CONTRACT to Mark. He was non-tendered. So, he should just not sign any contracts on the off chance that Chicago would re-sign him. Both sides need to agree to the contract and CHC did not offer him one. I, for one, do not blame Prior one bit and wish him the best of luck (outside of Cubs games). I don't think this has anything to do with "loyalty." In fact, I could argue that the Cubs gave up their loyalty to him by not offering a contract. Dude, where have you been hiding? Welcome back!

But, there is more to it than just having surgery. I have to believe that having surgery immediately after you first get injured is better than having surgery after pitching with the injury on multiple or numerous occasions. But, I suppose there is always the possibility that surgery fixes the problem regardless of how long you wait. The other issue is if his mechanics caused the problems in the first place, he's likely going to need to change those mechanics to avoid future problems, and no one really knows what effect changing his mechanics will do in getting big league hitters out. Did he change his mechanics when he came back in 2006? He was clearly not the same pitcher we saw in 2003. Maybe he was ineffective due more to shoulder problems than an actual mechanic adjustment.

I'll miss Mark too, especially the guy we saw in 03'. I just don't think he has it any longer. Its a damn shame - the dreams of just a few years ago have been blown to pieces. He's had a lot of down time. I'm not sure how well he can come back. How many pitchers have been injured or out of the game as much as Prior and proceeded to be the same pitcher when they returned? Bret Saberhagen missed significant time and he found a little bit of success when he came back. Prior is younger, so he has that going for him. If Prior's delivery is what is giving him all the injury trouble, and if he adjusts his delivery, does he lose a little bit or a lot off his command and movement? For those that don't like comparing Wade Miller, that's fair enough. But, where is Wade Miller now? He's not a perfect comparison, but the guy was putting up pretty respectable numbers during the heighth of the steroid era. He's certainly not Prior, but Miller may be completely done. Let's look at a couple more guys who weren't projected as high as Prior (it's hard to find a really good comparison for Prior's injury history), but the Cubs took a flyer on Mike Sirotka also. Completely out of baseball now. Kip Wells hasn't really deserved any chances at the major league level since his injuries started. He's been horrible. The only reason he's getting any opportunities is because of his name and how good he looked for two decent years. Someone sewed a bionic arm on Chris Carpenter. He came back better than he ever was. But, what are the chances he ends up doing that again? Mark Mulder looks like he's done. How many REAL success stories can be listed for guys after they have gone under the knife? And I'm not referring to limited periods of time of success like Kerry Wood or Chris Carpenter. I'm talking about Prior putting all of his injury problems behind him and going back to being the dominant pitcher he was pre-injury. What are the odds of that actually happening? Not that I want to see him fail. I most certainly put a lot of the blame for his injuries on Dusty Baker. Prior was a real treat to watch pitch.

I scored free tickets to the Holiday Bowl tonight. Looks like it should be a fun game. Kinda cool. Also kind of crazy to not accept, since the seats are with some of my closest friends. I didn't ask what kind of seats they are, but I don't really care since neither team is a favorite of mine. We start tailgaiting in about 4 hours. \:D/

I doubt the Cubs win a tampering suit, either. Prior put himself out there to other teams just long enough to make it look good. I think there's a lot of tampering that goes on behind closed doors, so I don't expect anything to come from this one. Too bad they didn't have Vegas odds on Prior's destination, because I was THAT sure he'd end up in San Diego.

im so glad that this board is so classy... since we are so classy let me say. **** you http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/8303/toughguyey2.png Woah, Hey, Hoah! How did my picture get on the internet? I don't remember posing for that one.

I could still beat you up. that still doesn't change the fact that you'll die before me. Depends on how bad I beat you up! :evil: LOL I'm still young enough to say LOL.

Doug Glanville is looking for work. :D And he's younger than So Taguchi.

Not that I'm aware of. I'm the one who has been enamored with the idea of improving the SS situation, and a deal between these 3 teams would make a lot of sense. We know Cleveland would love to get their hands on Bay. We know Pittsburgh is willing to deal Bay. We know Cleveland has depth in the middle infield with Barfield, Cabrera and Peralta. We know that Pittsburgh likes cheap, young talent in return for giving up prized possessions. We know that the Cubs have a hole at SS. We know that the Cubs can afford Peralta, since Roberts would cost much more than Peralta. We know the Cubs have cheap, young talent to trade.

That's what I'd like to see. Cleveland wants Jason Bay really bad and they haven't made an offer yet that Pittsburgh would be satisfied with. A 3 way deal that sends Bay to Cleveland, Peralta to the Cubs and major league ready players go to Pittsburgh would make a lot of sense, IMO. Cleveland has Cabrera to step in and play SS. Cubs could use a SS. Pittsburgh wants players that will, well, I've never really understood what Pittsburgh wants, so I'll just say a package of players. :D