I think it's more that a healthy Williamson > Wuertz. I don't think anyone's really "down" on Wuertz. We have a surplus in the pen right now, and Wuertz is right on the fringe. It's a good thing. The two posters I replied to said "I have zero confidence in Novoa or Wuertz," and the other "i agree. wuertz and novoa are the weak links." If that's not down on Wuertz, I don't know what is. I agree though, that a healthy Williamson is tough to beat. If both of those two guys have the type of years I think they're capable of behind Howry, Eyre, and Dempster, then we could have the best pen we've ever had. 1980 - Bruce Sutter, Lee Smith, Willie Hernandez, Bill Caudill & Dick Tidrow in the pen at one time. Schnikes!!! I forgot about that one. Two of the five or six best relievers of all time (arguably) and a guy who won the Cy four years later for one of the greatest single-season teams of all time (84' Tigers).