I'm not buying your argument that his numbers are lower than Jacque's because of the division he plays in. Giles has played a whole 2 games in Dodger Stadium, 2 in AT&T Park, and 3 in Chase Field for a combined 32 at bats, and he has 11 hits in those 32 at bats (about a .340 average). Oh, and he has an OPS over 1300 in both AT&T Park and Chase Field. And I don't think I need to mention Coors Field. The bottomline is that Jacque Jones has outproduced the much wanted Brian Giles. For half the cost. I suppose that depends on what you consider "outproduced". Giles has scored 12 more runs, driven in 6 more RBI, and has a .388 to .327 OBP advantage over Jones while playing in a much tougher park to hit. I don't see it as coincidental that Giles numbers dropped significantly when he moved from Pittsburgh to San Diego. See how his SLG dropped in 2003 from Pittsburgh to San Diego. See any other player on the Padres team and how their SLG's dropped when they moved to Petco. It's a simple question. Who would you rather have? Jones, Neifi and Rusch or Brian Giles? I'd rather have Giles, no doubt, but seriously, does he owe you money? Jones has been as good as Giles in several catagories and costs less. You could argue that Giles slugging has dropped due to his advancing age as much as the change in venue (see TT's stat that shows his road OPS is no better than home). Who cares about runs and RBIs - those are as much due to who is around him as they are to his own skills. I know you aren't arguing that he is more of a "clutch player" than Jones. The real difference, IMO, is in OBP, which makes Giles more valuable. Hindsight is certainly 20/20 and Giles would have been the better pick up, but Jones hasn't been that bad either.