I'm not sure if I am reading your post the right way, but Baker was criticized in SF for pulling his starting pitchers too soon and burning up his pen. I think that criticism coupled with the less than stellar bullpen performance has, in a way, contributed to the ills in the pitching department (i.e, overuse of both the SP and select bullpen arms). so because he pulled his starters too soon in sf our starters are overworked? i don't know if i understand what you are getting at. In a way that is exactly what I'm getting at. Baker is notoriusly thin skinned. Now I don't know know if that is THE reason, but he certainly has worked the starting pitchers. I also agree about his misuse of the pen too. It seems to me that Baker is not good at managing a pitching staff. Before Fox's arm nearly literally fell off I think he pitched three days in a row. We all know about his fetish for righty/lefty matchups. And then there is his usage patterns of Farnsworth and others while leaving some guys to rot in the pen. Overall, he is just not good at what he does.