First, let me start out by saying that I agree with you completely. That said, I find it pretty ironic/puzzling that you're taking this stance considering you argued adamantly with me over the offseason that process didn't matter more than outcome (results). I forget what thread it was but there's a pretty decent chance that, given the fact that it was in the offseason, it was in the Roberts thread. :lol: Not to go on a tangent. Process doesn't matter more than outcome and this is a perfect point to illustrate it, Reed got lucky once and then did two stupid things afterwards, IMO, because his "hustle" (i.e., process) was reinforced by stretching a single into a double (outcome) the first time. Outcome always matters, it is what defines good process. With poor "process" one can get away with it every once in a while but more times that not the outcome won't be what is desirable (i.e., getting thrown out at 3rd and attempting to bunt when a) the pitcher has had a hard time finding the plate, and b) the playing surface is fast). IMO, it also hurt when DeRosa didn't back up 1st base. Good process = RJ not attempting to take second base... not attempting to drive backwards on the highway Bad process = RJ attempting to take second... you attempting to drive backwards on the highway Process trumps outcome. Do you see what I'm getting at here? The fact that you made a bad decision by driving backwards on the highway isn't somehow justified or excused by a good outcome (i.e. you not killing yourself, making it through unscathed). At some point in time the rubber has to meet the road so to speak, luck will only take you so far. Here's the deal I believe that process trumps outcome. I believe in the process of teaching kids to read by having them sleep on books at night. I know this because some kids have learned to read by doing it. I teach my teachers to teach kids to read by telling them to sleep on their books. I never have to be confronted by the outcomes of my teaching because I teach teachers how to teach, so I will always value process more than outcome. My officemate believes that outcome defines good process. He believes in the process of teaching kids how to read by breaking down words into their phonemes and teaching kids sound/letter relationships. He knows this because some kids have learned to read by doing this. He teaches his students to teach kids to read by sounding out letters and breaking words down. However, unlike me he spends time in schools and does research, he therefore knows that it is the outcomes that matter and outcomes are a function of process. Basically you are trying to define process a part from outcome. When the two are inseparable. When I say that a risky performance is not ok just because it worked I'm saying that anyone can get lucky. Consequences always matter. The more luck we have the more likely we think we are on the right path.