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If they aren't giving up DeRosa for Peavey why would they give him up for anyone else? It's mindbottling It's mind boggling. And it's not that they were giving up DeRosa, it's that they were going to give up DeRosa and everyone in the organization with more than one vowel in their last name. Mindbottling is from Blades of Glory. Peavey> spare parts.

If they aren't giving up DeRosa for Peavey why would they give him up for anyone else? It's mindbottling

Is the NFL network not in HD?

Gee, I wonder why you are picking out the worst guys of the proposed package as your example? Could it be because you have a crap argument? Hart is what our 8th starter? You are absolutely correct, losing him would not hurt this team. However, unfortunately for the validity of your point, and for the Cubs, the Padres are asking for more than just Kevin Hart. Losing DeRosa would be a big blow to the team. He was exceptionally good offensively last year, and very good the two prior years. Additionally, his versatility gives the Cubs a lot of options. We don't need to get a guy who can play 3B, incase ARam goes down. We can sign Bradley and not have to worry about him getting injured because DeRo could replace him. Fontenot had a great year last year, but it was in limited time and when he was put in situations to succeed. I like him, but to think he'd be a lock to approach DeRos #s is foolish. Additionally, moving him from the bench to starting 2b takes away one of your better pinch hitters and your middle infield depth, so you'd have to replace that too. Losing Marshall would be a big blow to the depth of the pitching. He has shown that he can be successful out of the pen or in the rotation. With an injury risk like Harden in the rotation, losing our 6th starter would mean instead of going from a top 5 starter in Harden to an average starter in Marshall, we'd (skipping over Hart and Guzman because they were traded too) have to rely on Gaudin, Shark and God knows who after him. Pie and Cedeno I don't mind losing one bit. I don't think they'll be big contributors to the major league team (even if there are injuries) and have long lost their prospect luster. You can sign a back up SS for a mil or so that can replicate Cedeno's production and we already have Johnson to back up CF. Vitters I also don't mind losing. He obviously has a lot of value and is a great prospect, but his value to the Cubs is really as a trading chip, and thats what he'd be used for here. Not long ago we were talking about this deal without DeRosa and things sounded like they were progressing pretty well, even to the point where the "general framework" of the deal was in place. Frankly, that means to me that its not DeRosa as a player that is the issue, its DeRosa's paycheck that is. In that case, I'd much rather trade Kevin Gregg and retain DeRosa (or go back in time and never have traded for Gregg in the first place). Losing Marshall hurts, but I think its palatable, however losing DeRosa isn't. So your hang up is Mark DeRosa ? Do you know how crazy that is? DeRosa and Marshall for Peavey, forget the rest since they don't matter. That's a crap argument.

Are you kidding me? Nope. Not at all. Marshall and Pie would be a nice package for Hermida. Maybe even Marshall and Vitters. Maybe it's not enough. If so, look elsewhere. I'm just baffled that anyone would think you just keep throwing more and more names at someone in hopes that it will be enough when it is obviously clear that the other team has zero leverage. Nobody I know has said anything of the sort. Your' the one who suggested that. The players the Cubs were giving up for Peavey are spare parts. Spare parts are not something that should have held up this deal. I love the idea that making the team better comes down to some sort of pissing contest between Hendry and Towers. I'm really sick of the word leverage. It's pretty obvious that Hendry didn't have the leverage he thought he had or else this deal would have been done. Just trying to stay competitive in the division is not good enough.

Yea I read that too. What a great story though.

The Reds feel they owe us for Josh Hamilton...... Does he have to stick all year ?

When you have the "talent" of the Cubs prospects, it is as close to one as you can get. Just trying to compete within the division thinking at it's finest.

It is frustrating. My guess is that Hendry doesn't want to give up too many spare parts in case something bad happens. I don't think the Cubs are going to get him, I think some other team will though. I hope when this is all over Bruce Miles can give us the inside dope.

Yep. I also see CC turning into a Mo Vaughn situation. Kevin Brown? Mo Vaughn? When the Mets got Vaughn he was 33 years old and was going to miss the entire next season due to injury. Sabathia is nothing like Vaughn. Lowe is nothing like Kevin Brown either. Nothing. Kevin Brown was a washed up 38 year old with a history of arm trouble. Depending on the contract Lowe could be the best "deal" out there. I wish the Cubs would have gone after him.

the public matters not to anyone involved

There isn't anyone who would be dumb to trade. Trading for less value than a guy is worth is dumb, not just trading him in the first place.Trading Soto would be dumb. Trading Z would be dumb. Any trade that would weaken your ball club would be dumb. Value is only part of the equation.

http://elismlbrumors.com/ Only 3 years too late.

This game is going to get ugly(er). Florida is going to get crushed.

Bradford has to be the runaway Heisman player, doesn't he? It shouldn't really be close. Isn't he a sophomore?

Bama has been getting away with holding all game. I'll love their physicality though.

I'd be very surprised if Maddux doesn't end up coaching someday. I don't think it will be soon though. Easily my favorite pitcher ever. He looked like a dentist but was every bit as nasty as anybody who pitched in baseball. Screw Roger Clemens. There's no telling what HGH and steroids did for his career. There's evidence to suggest that he was doing them all they way back in Toronto.

I think this deserves its own thread. Anyway, the Peavey thread is getting mucked up with Marquis as it seems that the two are linked in the sense that Marquis must go if Peavey comes. Here is my deal with this, Marquis problem is his contract. I wouldn't mind keeping him with Wood gone. Now Marshall, Samardijza, Hart, or Goudin will have to get some starts instead of primarily pitch from pen. If Guzman or Cashner (if he's not starting in the minors) can come up big then Marquis leaving isn't a big deal. If not, the Cubs are going to have bullpen issues next year. Don't get me started on Gregg. Nevertheless, who wants/needs him and who can afford him (if the Cubs are paying part of his salary they should be able to get a decent prospect)?

He's a MiLB free agent if I'm not mistaken. He's probably showcasing himself for his next gig. Felix is looking good as he's going out the door.

Their fans' tradition for the last 27 years has been to obsess about the Cubs.

There's going to be a lot of crying on NSBB about Greene next season.

Wasn't Tubberville almost fired a couple of years ago by the "boosters". Didn't they go directly to the board of directors of Auburn and demand he be fired?

That's odd. I probably wouldn't rank Jeter in the top 53 offensive players for 2008, let alone all time. What's odd about that? He was 34 in 2008. The general hatred of Jeter that is exhibited by many here is borderline absurd.

The Cubs among many other teams don't value his skill set. He's not a good defender and doesn't hit for average. He is a very productive player and I would put him in LF and Soriano in RF and deal with the bad defense.