I loved Big Z and he was a horse's ass. I can't yet get on board with Chapman, though. It doesn't matter who they gave up. I'm trying to rationalize to get on board. There is probably one or two other guys (and probably more) that I wouldn't care to have a beer with, so I guess I can add Chapman to the list. But it really does go beyond a Lackey situation, so yeah, it's going to take a while.