Cubs make formal offer to Furcal

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

ESPN 1000 and Bruce Levine have been reporting this afternoon, that on Sunday, Hendry had dinner with Furcal, his wife, and Furcal's agent, and it was then that he proposed to marry Furcal's wife...okay just kidding, this is when the Cubs made their formal offer to Furcal. No details as of yet, about the deal that was offered.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It'd better not be for 50M/5. 40M/4 would make me :x , but I could deal with it.

[B]

He was probably hoping to get Furcal drunk and then get him to sign a contract.

[Sarcastic]

He was probably hoping to get Furcal drunk and then get him to sign a contract.

 

And they say Hendry doesn't have a strategy.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

[Omar]

He was probably hoping to get Furcal drunk and then get him to sign a contract.

 

And they say Hendry doesn't have a strategy.

 

How do you suppose he got Nomar for Beltran/Harris/Gonzo? :roll:

[Sarcastic]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

 

Anonymous sources. Bah. What do they know? Usually nothing. I really doubt that the offer Hendry made was for more than $10,000,000 a year.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

 

Anonymous sources. Bah. What do they know? Usually nothing. I really doubt that the offer Hendry made was for more than $10,000,000 a year.

 

Considering the contracts we've seen so far I bet he gets at least 5\60 but we shall see...

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

 

Anonymous sources. Bah. What do they know? Usually nothing. I really doubt that the offer Hendry made was for more than $10,000,000 a year.

 

Considering the contracts we've seen so far I bet he gets at least 5\60 but we shall see...

 

gfd. you're trying to make me cry. 40M/4 is overpaying.

[Illini Iceman]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

 

Anonymous sources. Bah. What do they know? Usually nothing. I really doubt that the offer Hendry made was for more than $10,000,000 a year.

 

Considering the contracts we've seen so far I bet he gets at least 5\60 but we shall see...

 

I can't see who he would get that offer from. There is no way the Braves are going that high and the Mets seem to be spending their money other places. I think Hendry will put in an offer at about 4/$38M and see where that gets him.

[Sarcastic]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

 

Anonymous sources. Bah. What do they know? Usually nothing. I really doubt that the offer Hendry made was for more than $10,000,000 a year.

 

Considering the contracts we've seen so far I bet he gets at least 5\60 but we shall see...

 

gfd. you're trying to make me cry. 40M/4 is overpaying.

 

I don't think Hendry would go for that. He doesn't seem to be inclined towards overpaying for the really expensive ones, just relievers and bench players.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

 

Anonymous sources. Bah. What do they know? Usually nothing. I really doubt that the offer Hendry made was for more than $10,000,000 a year.

 

Considering the contracts we've seen so far I bet he gets at least 5\60 but we shall see...

 

gfd. you're trying to make me cry. 40M/4 is overpaying.

 

Take heart maybe the Dodgers will pay 5\60! Besides, I'm always wrong about these things.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I don't know if this has been posted but Gammons on ESPN...

 

While the Braves have some cash after Chipper Jones re-arranged his contract, the Cubs and Dodgers are the leaders for Rafael Furcal. "This is going beyond Edgar Renteria [four years, $40 million]," said one source.

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/gammons/story?id=2239213

 

Anonymous sources. Bah. What do they know? Usually nothing. I really doubt that the offer Hendry made was for more than $10,000,000 a year.

 

Considering the contracts we've seen so far I bet he gets at least 5\60 but we shall see...

 

I can't see who he would get that offer from. There is no way the Braves are going that high and the Mets seem to be spending their money other places. I think Hendry will put in an offer at about 4/$38M and see where that gets him.

 

Maybe we should take this to the Polls...

 

edit - OK, a poll is out there.

Edited November 29, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[AramisRamirez]

i hate to spend more the necessary as much as anybody else but in this case, we really need furcal. i think furcal is a signficant upgrade compared to juan pierre. pierre's only asset is base-stealing and his terrible defense and low OBP made his value plummet.

 

furcal at the top of the order and anchoring SS would really be a boost for the team. if it reaches 5-years/$50M, i wouldnt be as upset as the entire board would be.

 

i would still keep walker and rotate cedeno in at both 2B and SS. i think our 1-4 would be basically ideal.

 

SS furcal

2B walker

1B lee

3B ramirez

 

thats basically perfect. speed with furcal. high OBP with walker so lee and ramirez can get RBIs.

[AramisRamirez]

i hate to spend more the necessary as much as anybody else but in this case, we really need furcal. i think furcal is a signficant upgrade compared to juan pierre. pierre's only asset is base-stealing and his terrible defense and low OBP made his value plummet.

 

furcal at the top of the order and anchoring SS would really be a boost for the team. if it reaches 5-years/$50M, i wouldnt be as upset as the entire board would be.

 

i would still keep walker and rotate cedeno in at both 2B and SS. i think our 1-4 would be basically ideal.

 

SS furcal

2B walker

1B lee

3B ramirez

 

thats basically perfect. speed with furcal. high OBP with walker so lee and ramirez can get RBIs.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

Well, I am happy this is being reported, my only reservation is the simple fact that Bruce "i make stuff up and report it" Levine broke the story!

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I think Hendry would offer the 5th year before he'd overpay the annual salary. He seems to be a guy that once the salary hits a magic point to his interpretation, he loses all interest. The fact he's still in there supposedly to the point of now making an offer, makes me think it's progressed from 4/38 or maybe 4/40, with a 5th year option, to now 5/45, 5/48 or so, guaranteed.

 

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't offer to pay Furcal more than Ramirez gets per year. More years yes, but not more money.

 

And I don't think Furcal is going to get better than that 5/45 to 5/48 deal from anyone else, either. His agent should take it.

[A New Era]

I just hope he takes it. And I don't think 5/50 is so bad, overspending yet, but honestly we NEED to. I mean how much did we loose on Nomar last year about 5 mil? You have to consider Furcal is a very good lead-off (yes not great), very good defensive SS who is very unlikely to get hurt. Who puts up very good #'s.

[Jehrico]

I just hope he takes it. And I don't think 5/50 is so bad, overspending yet, but honestly we NEED to. I mean how much did we loose on Nomar last year about 5 mil? You have to consider Furcal is a very good lead-off (yes not great), very good defensive SS who is very unlikely to get hurt. Who puts up very good #'s.

In order to assure Neifi isn't starting, I'd be willing to overpay a little bit. 5/50 is doable for someone who isn't injury prone, but is consistant like he is.

[ConstableRabbit]

Not trying to start an argument, but what is the definition of "overpaying" in the face of the market equilibrium price?

 

If $10 mil/year for 5 years is overpaying, what is a fair price for Furcal?

[frostwyrm]

I just hope he takes it. And I don't think 5/50 is so bad, overspending yet, but honestly we NEED to. I mean how much did we loose on Nomar last year about 5 mil? You have to consider Furcal is a very good lead-off (yes not great), very good defensive SS who is very unlikely to get hurt. Who puts up very good #'s.

In order to assure Neifi isn't starting, I'd be willing to overpay a little bit. 5/50 is doable for someone who isn't injury prone, but is consistant like he is.

 

How is Furcal consistent? In 2005, his contract year, his stolen bases went way up and his errors went way down, otherwise he wouldn't be getting near the type of offers he's getting now.

[stitchface]

Not trying to start an argument, but what is the definition of "overpaying" in the face of the market equilibrium price?

 

If $10 mil/year for 5 years is overpaying, what is a fair price for Furcal?

 

To me overpaying is paying more money to a single player than the franchise can afford. This means paying more than the player contributes to winning, spending too much when comparable cheaper options are available, weakening other positions by spending too much on one position. Market value is not necessarily relevant. If you need Furcal to win the WS, then you should spend as much as you can and need to, to get him regardless of market value. If he only adds 3 wins to a 77 win team, then perhaps he isn't worth as much.

[A New Era]

Not trying to start an argument, but what is the definition of "overpaying" in the face of the market equilibrium price?

 

If $10 mil/year for 5 years is overpaying, what is a fair price for Furcal?

 

To me overpaying is paying more money to a single player than the franchise can afford. This means paying more than the player contributes to winning, spending too much when comparable cheaper options are available, weakening other positions by spending too much on one position. Market value is not necessarily relevant. If you need Furcal to win the WS, then you should spend as much as you can and need to, to get him regardless of market value. If he only adds 3 wins to a 77 win team, then perhaps he isn't worth as much.

 

I think he'll add more than 3, and I think you were just loosely using those #'s as an example. I think the addition of Furcal (over perez at SS) would add about 10-15 more wins.

[kroth1342]

Not trying to start an argument, but what is the definition of "overpaying" in the face of the market equilibrium price?

 

If $10 mil/year for 5 years is overpaying, what is a fair price for Furcal?

 

To me overpaying is paying more money to a single player than the franchise can afford. This means paying more than the player contributes to winning, spending too much when comparable cheaper options are available, weakening other positions by spending too much on one position. Market value is not necessarily relevant. If you need Furcal to win the WS, then you should spend as much as you can and need to, to get him regardless of market value. If he only adds 3 wins to a 77 win team, then perhaps he isn't worth as much.

 

I think he'll add more than 3, and I think you were just loosely using those #'s as an example. I think the addition of Furcal (over perez at SS) would add about 10-15 more wins.

 

Considering Furcal totaled around 9 wins (via BP's WARP3 figures) in 2005 compared to Neifi's 5, I think "10-15 more wins" is kind of a stretch.

[da bears]

I just hope he takes it. And I don't think 5/50 is so bad, overspending yet, but honestly we NEED to. I mean how much did we loose on Nomar last year about 5 mil? You have to consider Furcal is a very good lead-off (yes not great), very good defensive SS who is very unlikely to get hurt. Who puts up very good #'s.

In order to assure Neifi isn't starting, I'd be willing to overpay a little bit. 5/50 is doable for someone who isn't injury prone, but is consistant like he is.

 

I agree. I want Furcal because I believe he can add to the team; I also want him because, as someone said earlier, the thought of the alternatives just makes me quiver.