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[Southpaw191679666239]

Didn't know which thread to put this in ~ there are quite a few.

 

The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers believes the Marlins will wait until after Johnny Damon signs to trade Juan Pierre.

He also says the White Sox have a better chance to get him than the Cubs because GM Jim Hendry won't part with Felix Pie, Matt Murton or Rich Hill. The White Sox no longer have Aaron Rowand to give up to get Pierre, but they have young outfielders they can afford to part with. Nov. 26 - 2:05 pm et

Source: Chicago Tribune

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

This is good news.

[fearthecubs]

This is good news.

 

Seconded.

[Jehrico]

Didn't know which thread to put this in ~ there are quite a few.

 

The Chicago Tribune's Phil Rogers believes the Marlins will wait until after Johnny Damon signs to trade Juan Pierre.

He also says the White Sox have a better chance to get him than the Cubs because GM Jim Hendry won't part with Felix Pie, Matt Murton or Rich Hill. The White Sox no longer have Aaron Rowand to give up to get Pierre, but they have young outfielders they can afford to part with. Nov. 26 - 2:05 pm et

Source: Chicago Tribune

 

I thought the Whitesox said they weren't interested in Pierre?

 

I guess it is Phil Rogers, so the exact opposite is probably true.

[Jehrico]

I would prefer we went after Pierre. I'm afraid the next alternative is jumping in the Damon race, and you know we'll overpay more for him than we would for Pierre.

[fearthecubs]

I would prefer we went after Pierre. I'm afraid the next alternative is jumping in the Damon race, and you know we'll overpay more for him than we would for Pierre.

 

What is everyones concern with overpaying!? It's not YOUR money and last I checked we hadn't won a championship in a CENTURY. You'd rather have Pierre than Damon? Explain to me the logic behind that, because it makes my brain want to implode upon itself.

Edited November 26, 2005 by fearthecubs

[SantoForHOF]

I would prefer we went after Pierre. I'm afraid the next alternative is jumping in the Damon race, and you know we'll overpay more for him than we would for Pierre.

 

What is everyones concern with overpaying!? It's not YOUR money and last I checked we hadn't won a championship in a CENTURY.

 

amen

[Southpaw191679666239]

What is everyones concern with overpaying!? It's not YOUR money and last I checked we hadn't won a championship in a CENTURY.

 

I think everyone here knows it's not their money, I believe the concern is how high-priced contracts will cripple the team in the coming years; ie. Sosa, Wood, etc.

[cubbyvirus00]

What is everyones concern with overpaying!? It's not YOUR money and last I checked we hadn't won a championship in a CENTURY. You'd rather have Pierre than Damon? Explain to me the logic behind that, because it makes my brain want to implode upon itself.

 

 

Awesome. Thank you.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Our budget isn't infinite. Overpaying in one area means we can't acquire talent in another area. For example, overspending in the bullpen when we have cheap alternatives lessens the amount we have to spend on SS, OF, and another starter. There's usually a fairly sizable drop in talent for outfielders for a couple million a season.

[Jehrico]

I would prefer we went after Pierre. I'm afraid the next alternative is jumping in the Damon race, and you know we'll overpay more for him than we would for Pierre.

 

What is everyones concern with overpaying!? It's not YOUR money and last I checked we hadn't won a championship in a CENTURY. You'd rather have Pierre than Damon? Explain to me the logic behind that, because it makes my brain want to implode upon itself.

 

We'll, let me see...both are capable of getting on base at about the same clip (.353 vs .355 career OBPs), Pierre is better in the OF, is younger, and would cost considerably less. That's why I would rather have Pierre than Damon. The reason why some of us care about overpaying but some do not, is that some people do not grasp the concept of "opporunity cost." The Trib is only going to allow Hendry to spend so much money. The more he pays for someone when he could have had someone comparable for less, then that means he has less money to use toward a RFer. That's why I care about overpaying, I don't want $$ to prevent us from getting a stud RFer.

 

I won't be disappointed if they signed Damon, as he'll be a good leadoff man, something we sorely need, but I'd prefer the cheaper alternative, it'll be better for the team in the long run.

 

And if you think that Damon over Pierre means winning the WS, I think you're sorely mistaken.

[fearthecubs]

 

Awesome. Thank you.

 

It never hurts to be reminded to keep your eyes on the prize.

[fearthecubs]

Our budget isn't infinite. Overpaying in one area means we can't acquire talent in another area. For example, overspending in the bullpen when we have cheap alternatives lessens the amount we have to spend on SS, OF, and another starter. There's usually a fairly sizable drop in talent for outfielders for a couple million a season.

 

We're the Cubs not the Royals.

[fearthecubs]

We'll, let me see...both are capable of getting on base at about the same clip (.353 vs .355 career OBPs), Pierre is better in the OF, is younger, and would cost considerably less. That's why I would rather have Pierre than Damon. The reason why some of us care about overpaying but some do not, is that some people do not grasp the concept of "opporunity cost." The Trib is only going to allow Hendry to spend so much money. The more he pays for someone when he could have had someone comparable for less, then that means he has less money to use toward a RFer. That's why I care about overpaying, I don't want $$ to prevent us from getting a stud RFer.

 

I won't be disappointed if they signed Damon, as he'll be a good leadoff man, something we sorely need, but I'd prefer the cheaper alternative, it'll be better for the team in the long run.

 

And if you think that Damon over Pierre means winning the WS, I think you're sorely mistaken.

 

Are you watching the same Pierre I am? Pierre is pretty well known as having a wet noodle for a throwing arm. Damon can go get 'em.

 

You know what, wait, I forgot you have personal inside knowledge to how much money we can spend. Did it ever cross your mind that when Hendry signs whoever, he realizes the ramifications as far as future trades or signings. This is his job. Sorry for the multiple posts but come on...we haven't won in 100 years, the time to be nickle and diming it passed a long time ago.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Our budget isn't infinite. Overpaying in one area means we can't acquire talent in another area. For example, overspending in the bullpen when we have cheap alternatives lessens the amount we have to spend on SS, OF, and another starter. There's usually a fairly sizable drop in talent for outfielders for a couple million a season.

 

We're the Cubs not the Royals.

 

A budget is a budget. What do you have a degree in? (if you don't mind my asking)

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

We'll, let me see...both are capable of getting on base at about the same clip (.353 vs .355 career OBPs), Pierre is better in the OF, is younger, and would cost considerably less. That's why I would rather have Pierre than Damon. The reason why some of us care about overpaying but some do not, is that some people do not grasp the concept of "opporunity cost." The Trib is only going to allow Hendry to spend so much money. The more he pays for someone when he could have had someone comparable for less, then that means he has less money to use toward a RFer. That's why I care about overpaying, I don't want $$ to prevent us from getting a stud RFer.

 

I won't be disappointed if they signed Damon, as he'll be a good leadoff man, something we sorely need, but I'd prefer the cheaper alternative, it'll be better for the team in the long run.

 

And if you think that Damon over Pierre means winning the WS, I think you're sorely mistaken.

 

Are you watching the same Pierre I am? Pierre is pretty well known as having a wet noodle for a throwing arm. Damon can go get 'em.

 

You know what, wait, I forgot you have personal inside knowledge to how much money we can spend. Did it ever cross your mind that when Hendry signs whoever, he realizes the ramifications as far as future trades or signings. This is his job. Sorry for the multiple posts but come on...we haven't won in 100 years, the time to be nickle and diming it passed a long time ago.

 

Damon has a noodle arm as well.

[fearthecubs]

Our budget isn't infinite. Overpaying in one area means we can't acquire talent in another area. For example, overspending in the bullpen when we have cheap alternatives lessens the amount we have to spend on SS, OF, and another starter. There's usually a fairly sizable drop in talent for outfielders for a couple million a season.

 

We're the Cubs not the Royals.

 

A budget is a budget. What do you have a degree in? (if you don't mind my asking)

 

International Business

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah, Damon and Pierre are both average defenders. Both have terrible arms, and Damon is better at getting to balls.

 

EDIT: On the whole Pierre is below average, and Damon is above average slightly, but Damon was poor like Pierre this past year.

Edited November 26, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[Jehrico]

Are you watching the same Pierre I am? Pierre is pretty well known as having a wet noodle for a throwing arm. Damon can go get 'em.

 

Now you're being ridiculous. Damon also has a noodle for a throwing arm. Pierre is better at getting to balls, hence the better on defense comment. Actually, I've heard more in the media about concern for Damon's arm than Pierres.

 

You know what, wait, I forgot you have personal inside knowledge to how much money we can spend.

 

No, however, I'm not acting ignorant of the fact that the Cubs are owned by a publicly owned corporation who has obligations to it's stockholders, and I DO know for a FACT that they are never going to give Hendry a blank checkbook. NEVER. Therefore, they have limited resources, and the more of that resource you devote to one player, means the less you have towards others.

 

Did it ever cross your mind that when Hendry signs whoever, he realizes the ramifications as far as future trades or signings. This is his job. Sorry for the multiple posts but come on...we haven't won in 100 years, the time to be nickle and diming it passed a long time ago.

Yes, he realizes the ramifications as far as future trades and what not comes along. That does NOT increase his budget. That does NOT erase the fact that the more you put into CF, the less that will be available for RF. Money can be freed up via trades, but the more he puts into other positions, the less he has for RF. Period. I would rather have Pierre and Abreu or Giles than Damon. Signing Damon would likely be prohibitive of getting a premier RFer. And Damon in no way brings you closer to winning the WS than Pierre. If signing Damon made us a definitively better club than Pierre, then it might be a different story.

[fearthecubs]

Sorry but if you believe Pierre is a better player or defender than Damon, we'll never see eye-to-eye.

 

Secondly what the hell are you even talking about, stockholders? We're talking about baseball here. No ones mentioning blank checks or stock options or my 401k, jeez. The Cubs have money, they should spend it. Period. Goes no deeper than that.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Are you watching the same Pierre I am? Pierre is pretty well known as having a wet noodle for a throwing arm. Damon can go get 'em.

 

 

Which Captain Caveman have YOU watched? Johnny Damon has maybe the 2nd weakest arm in baseball. We joke about Piere needed a cutoff man to get the back to the INF, but guess what...so does Johnny Damon. And giving up a couple of prospects for Pierre is better then giving Damon almost $10 mill per yr.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Sorry but if you believe Pierre is a better player or defender than Damon, we'll never see eye-to-eye.

 

Secondly what the hell are you even talking about, stockholders? We're talking about baseball here. No ones mentioning blank checks or stock options or my 401k, jeez. The Cubs have money, they should spend it. Period. Goes no deeper than that.

 

The Cubs have a payroll that won't go above X. It won't go above X because the Cubs are owned by a public company, that has more obligations than a private owner. When you spend a lot of X on players that are okay, you eliminate the money you may need to fill other holes, especially in future years. How do you think the Cubs got all the money to spend?

[Jehrico]

Sorry but if you believe Pierre is a better player or defender than Damon, we'll never see eye-to-eye.

 

Secondly what the hell are you even talking about, stockholders? We're talking about baseball here. No ones mentioning blank checks or stock options or my 401k, jeez. The Cubs have money, they should spend it. Period. Goes no deeper than that.

 

You mentioned the Cubs having not won it in a century...that kind of irresponsibility is a very big reason why they haven't.

[fearthecubs]

Are you watching the same Pierre I am? Pierre is pretty well known as having a wet noodle for a throwing arm. Damon can go get 'em.

 

 

Which Captain Caveman have YOU watched? Johnny Damon has maybe the 2nd weakest arm in baseball. We joke about Piere needed a cutoff man to get the back to the INF, but guess what...so does Johnny Damon. And giving up a couple of prospects for Pierre is better then giving Damon almost $10 mill per yr.

 

"Probably the second weakest". Wow you nailed it down for me.

 

Also for the record like Furcal, I dont want Damon/Pierre etiher. I don't understand what's wrong with Corey in CF batting 8th, he's only 25.

[fearthecubs]

Sorry but if you believe Pierre is a better player or defender than Damon, we'll never see eye-to-eye.

 

Secondly what the hell are you even talking about, stockholders? We're talking about baseball here. No ones mentioning blank checks or stock options or my 401k, jeez. The Cubs have money, they should spend it. Period. Goes no deeper than that.

 

You mentioned the Cubs having not won it in a century...that kind of irresponsibility is a very big reason why they haven't.

 

Yea, you're right pal. Stuff like releasing Greg Maddux had nothing to do with it. Blame the accountants, off with their heads!