11/26 College Football

[Derwood]

The Big Ten has several things that it considers before it would take someone in. It is not just geographical. Of all the major conferences it has the highest acedemic standards. Not only for athletes but also the schools in general. So before they take someone in Acedemic requirements would have to be considered. Also they would probably look at graduation rates of athletes. Some existing big Ten teams might not be that good but they would not take someone in that was below par. I also dont think that the Big Ten would go raiding other conferences.

 

So basically they are waiting on ND and will stay at 11 until or if that happens

 

Regarding academics that is one of the reasons ND will never join. The Big 10 often does joint research, and with the religious nature of ND's research it would either a) limit their ability to do what they want with research b) involve the other schools in research they are not interested in doing. This was one of the main reasons given by the University a few years ago when the Big 10 invited ND.

That plus the alumni funding. Since ND is funded mainly by the alumni the school often makes efforts to schedule games where a large fan base can see them play. A conference affiliation would take away from that ability. Those are just two of many reasons, but they are largely non-football, so I thought I would throw them out there.

 

Just a tidbit of interesting info. Many, many, many years ago ND attempted to join the Big 10, but was denied in large due to Fielding Yost and his hatred for ND.

 

There's one reason---and one reason only---that Notre Dame does not join the Big Ten: NBC TV money.

 

Well that's no secret. Don't have to split their bowl revenue 12 ways either (though when 6 or 7 Big Ten teams make it to bowls, everyone does alright in the end)

[adamb0719]

The Big Ten has several things that it considers before it would take someone in. It is not just geographical. Of all the major conferences it has the highest acedemic standards. Not only for athletes but also the schools in general. So before they take someone in Acedemic requirements would have to be considered. Also they would probably look at graduation rates of athletes. Some existing big Ten teams might not be that good but they would not take someone in that was below par. I also dont think that the Big Ten would go raiding other conferences.

 

So basically they are waiting on ND and will stay at 11 until or if that happens

 

Regarding academics that is one of the reasons ND will never join. The Big 10 often does joint research, and with the religious nature of ND's research it would either a) limit their ability to do what they want with research b) involve the other schools in research they are not interested in doing. This was one of the main reasons given by the University a few years ago when the Big 10 invited ND.

That plus the alumni funding. Since ND is funded mainly by the alumni the school often makes efforts to schedule games where a large fan base can see them play. A conference affiliation would take away from that ability. Those are just two of many reasons, but they are largely non-football, so I thought I would throw them out there.

 

Just a tidbit of interesting info. Many, many, many years ago ND attempted to join the Big 10, but was denied in large due to Fielding Yost and his hatred for ND.

 

There's one reason---and one reason only---that Notre Dame does not join the Big Ten: NBC TV money.

 

Well that's no secret. Don't have to split their bowl revenue 12 ways either (though when 6 or 7 Big Ten teams make it to bowls, everyone does alright in the end)

 

But ND did take a huge hit on the bowl revenue with the new BCS contract in effect after this year.

 

Most reasons due center around the fact that they simply don't need to join a conference. I am not too sure about PSU or Miami when they joined, but I don't really think they did either. Does anyone know why they did join thei Big 10/East? Anyway I was trying to provide some reasons that are not football related, since there is more than FB to ND :D

[EricG]

The Big Ten has several things that it considers before it would take someone in. It is not just geographical. Of all the major conferences it has the highest acedemic standards. Not only for athletes but also the schools in general. So before they take someone in Acedemic requirements would have to be considered. Also they would probably look at graduation rates of athletes. Some existing big Ten teams might not be that good but they would not take someone in that was below par. I also dont think that the Big Ten would go raiding other conferences.

 

So basically they are waiting on ND and will stay at 11 until or if that happens

 

Regarding academics that is one of the reasons ND will never join. The Big 10 often does joint research, and with the religious nature of ND's research it would either a) limit their ability to do what they want with research b) involve the other schools in research they are not interested in doing. This was one of the main reasons given by the University a few years ago when the Big 10 invited ND.

That plus the alumni funding. Since ND is funded mainly by the alumni the school often makes efforts to schedule games where a large fan base can see them play. A conference affiliation would take away from that ability. Those are just two of many reasons, but they are largely non-football, so I thought I would throw them out there.

 

Just a tidbit of interesting info. Many, many, many years ago ND attempted to join the Big 10, but was denied in large due to Fielding Yost and his hatred for ND.

 

There's one reason---and one reason only---that Notre Dame does not join the Big Ten: NBC TV money.

 

Well that's no secret. Don't have to split their bowl revenue 12 ways either (though when 6 or 7 Big Ten teams make it to bowls, everyone does alright in the end)

 

But ND did take a huge hit on the bowl revenue with the new BCS contract in effect after this year.

 

Most reasons due center around the fact that they simply don't need to join a conference. I am not too sure about PSU or Miami when they joined, but I don't really think they did either. Does anyone know why they did join thei Big 10/East? Anyway I was trying to provide some reasons that are not football related, since there is more than FB to ND :D

It is only about football because they are in the Big East for every other sport. They would have to pay a penalty to get out of the Big East contract. The Big Ten isn't going to accept them for football only.

[Jon]

SI.com[/url]"]Player of the Year

 

Brett Basanez, Northwestern: Take a second folks. Reggie Bush and Vince Young are definitely better football players than Basanez, but with all due respect, they play for USC and Texas, respectively, and there's something about playing for USC and Texas that, I don't know, makes things easier than playing for Northwestern. The 6-2, 215-pound Basanez had to scramble all year to keep his team in games against imposing competition. He often did more than that, leading the Wildcats to within 51 seconds of an upset over Penn State, and throwing for 361 yards and three touchdowns in a wild 51-48 upset of Wisconsin. He was never boring to watch. Not once. The senior is currently ranked fifth in the nation in total offense (327.0 yards per game), which puts him ahead of (ahem) Young. With help from its quarterback, Northwestern finished the season 7-4, with wins over Wisconsin, Michigan State and Iowa.

 

Honorable Mention: Vince Young, Texas; Reggie Bush, USC; Brian Calhoun, Wisconsin

Also from the article:

Dumb Trend of the Year

 

Flag-Planting: This one goes in the category of logo-dancing as one of the alltime most childish acts a player can commit on the field. Michigan State did it in South Bend after beating Notre Dame and went on to a forgettable season. Bush tried it in the end zone at Notre Dame and broke the flagpole. Police prevented Georgia's Tim Jennings from taking a flag from his own cheerleaders. And Minnesota's Lawrence Maroney actually tried to plant one into the artificial turf at Michigan Stadium after the Golden Gophers upset the Wolverines (what was I saying earlier about student-athletes?).

[Derwood]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

[CuseCubFan69]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

 

Joe Pa and the AD for Syracuse got into a little thing let's say about forming an all sports Eastern league in the 70's. For some stupid reason it wasn't formed and the Big East as a basketball only conference was then formed. After the Big East was formed they would not let Penn State in and I'm not exactly sure the reason why. Penn State then wanted to schedule the eastern teams Syracuse, WV, and BC in 2 for 1's because of the loss of revenue...twice at Penn State and then once at the other school field for football and it was turned down by those schools. Penn State then was either asked or or was asked by the Big 10 to join and there they are.

 

Miami wanted to improve it's basketball and joining the Big East was a no brainer for them. I believe around the same time Florida State joined the ACC.

[adamb0719]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

 

Joe Pa and the AD for Syracuse got into a little thing let's say about forming an all sports Eastern league in the 70's. For some stupid reason it wasn't formed and the Big East as a basketball only conference was then formed. After the Big East was formed they would not let Penn State in and I'm not exactly sure the reason why. Penn State then wanted to schedule the eastern teams Syracuse, WV, and BC in 2 for 1's because of the loss of revenue...twice at Penn State and then once at the other school field for football and it was turned down by those schools. Penn State then was either asked or or was asked by the Big 10 to join and there they are.

 

Miami wanted to improve it's basketball and joining the Big East was a no brainer for them. I believe around the same time Florida State joined the ACC.

 

Is that why JoePa was so critical of Pitt when they joined the Big East. IIRC that is when he refused to play them anymore, but I could be wrong.

[CuseCubFan69]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

 

Joe Pa and the AD for Syracuse got into a little thing let's say about forming an all sports Eastern league in the 70's. For some stupid reason it wasn't formed and the Big East as a basketball only conference was then formed. After the Big East was formed they would not let Penn State in and I'm not exactly sure the reason why. Penn State then wanted to schedule the eastern teams Syracuse, WV, and BC in 2 for 1's because of the loss of revenue...twice at Penn State and then once at the other school field for football and it was turned down by those schools. Penn State then was either asked or or was asked by the Big 10 to join and there they are.

 

Miami wanted to improve it's basketball and joining the Big East was a no brainer for them. I believe around the same time Florida State joined the ACC.

 

Is that why JoePa was so critical of Pitt when they joined the Big East. IIRC that is when he refused to play them anymore, but I could be wrong.

 

Yeah the Pitt/Penn St was the last of the Eastern battles for Penn State. Pitt was invited into the BE from the Atlantic 10 and then WV a year or 2 later. I hate the fact that things got so bad between the Eastern schools because we could have had something really special. I'm not sure when the rivalry ended but it's really too bad it did. Penn State vs Michigan St just doesn't have the same ring to it as Pitt/Penn St.

 

And yeah...Joe was not a happy camper.

[adamb0719]

It is only about football because they are in the Big East for every other sport. They would have to pay a penalty to get out of the Big East contract. The Big Ten isn't going to accept them for football only.

 

However more goes into the decision to not join the Big 10 than just football. That was the point I was trying to make. In 98-99 ND may have joined the Big 10 when it was offered (I thought they would), but things other than football came into the picture.

[Flames24Rulz]

MAC WEST CHAMPS!!!

 

NIU destroyed Western Mich today, 42-7. Wolfe had a monster day with 274 yards and 5 TD's! If Akron wins tomorrow morning, we play Akron next Thursday in the MAC Championship. If Akron loses, we'll play Bowling Green in the championship. Either way I'm excited because FINALLY we have a chance to win the conference.

[Derwood]

MAC WEST CHAMPS!!!

 

NIU destroyed Western Mich today, 42-7. Wolfe had a monster day with 274 yards and 5 TD's! If Akron wins tomorrow morning, we play Akron next Thursday in the MAC Championship. If Akron loses, we'll play Bowling Green in the championship. Either way I'm excited because FINALLY we have a chance to win the conference.

 

If I read the schedule correctly, a MAC title would put the Huskies in th Motor City Bowl against Minnesota

[cubweiser03]

As a Michigan St fan this is hard for me to say but they may not even win half of the Big Ten title but OSU and Mich always are in the picture and their game seems to always matter to who wins the Big Ten championship. When Illinois won in 2001 it was because OSU knocked off Mich and I think when Wis won in 1999 it was because Mich knocked off OSU

 

And i'll add. In the past 25 years:

4 Times the game directly determined the B10 champ, whoever won.

15 times the game determined the B10 championship by who won or loss. 1998 and 2001 are 2 examples of the 15. 1995 was probably the biggest with OSU being #2 in the country and losing to Michigan and Northwestern going to the Rose Bowl that year.

 

19 of 25 times sounds pretty solid that it does indeed determine the B10 champ.

[NewUserName]

I forgot about the 95 game. Was that the game that Biakabutuka (sp?) rushed for like 350 yards

[cubweiser03]

I forgot about the 95 game. Was that the game that Biakabutuka (sp?) rushed for like 350 yards

 

Yes. 37 rushes for 313. The next year OSU was again ranked #2 in the AP and lost at home to the 21st ranked wolverines. OSU lost but still won the title outright, so that game didnt determine the championship but it ruined OSU second season in a row at a national championship.

[TruffleShuffle]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

 

Penn State won the regular-season title in all of the major fall sports (football, men's soccer, women's soccer, field hockey and women's volleyball).

 

Football is #3 in the BCS.

Women's volleyball is ranked #2.

Field hockey was ranked #6.

Women's soccer spent much of the year at #1 and is now ranked #3.

Men's soccer is #9.

 

Pretty solid fall!

[Derwood]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

 

Penn State won the regular-season title in all of the major fall sports (football, men's soccer, women's soccer, field hockey and women's volleyball).

 

Football is #3 in the BCS.

Women's volleyball is ranked #2.

Field hockey was ranked #6.

Women's soccer spent much of the year at #1 and is now ranked #3.

Men's soccer is #9.

 

Pretty solid fall!

 

Now the Men's Basketball team is winning the National Championship! Right? Anyone?

[CuseCubFan69]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

 

Penn State won the regular-season title in all of the major fall sports (football, men's soccer, women's soccer, field hockey and women's volleyball).

 

Football is #3 in the BCS.

Women's volleyball is ranked #2.

Field hockey was ranked #6.

Women's soccer spent much of the year at #1 and is now ranked #3.

Men's soccer is #9.

 

Pretty solid fall!

 

I just noticed that Penn State played 7 out of 11 games at home this year, are they doing that next year too?

[Derwood]

PSU definitely joined for the football, though the Big Ten has hurt some of their other sports. PSU Basketball is pathetic now. They used to be in the Atlantic 10, where they could fair pretty well against teams like George Washington, etc. Some of the "minor sports" are doing well, as PSU has won several conference titles in Wrestling, Field Hockey, Soccer, etc.

 

Penn State won the regular-season title in all of the major fall sports (football, men's soccer, women's soccer, field hockey and women's volleyball).

 

Football is #3 in the BCS.

Women's volleyball is ranked #2.

Field hockey was ranked #6.

Women's soccer spent much of the year at #1 and is now ranked #3.

Men's soccer is #9.

 

Pretty solid fall!

 

I just noticed that Penn State played 7 out of 11 games at home this year, are they doing that next year too?

 

Next year they play 12 games, with 7 at home I believe. 4 Big Ten games, plus Akron, Temple, and a TBD team (since Louisiana Tech backed out....probably will be a Division I-AA team since everyone else's schedules are set). Only non-conference road game is at Notre Dame

[adamb0719]

Looks like a ND/PSU match-up may be likely

 

Orange Bowl and Fiesta Bowl officials are trying to work out a scenario for a Notre Dame versus Penn State matchup. That would likely occur in the Fiesta Bowl with the Orange Bowl getting the ACC Champion (likely Virginia Tech) versus Ohio State.

[cubweiser03]

Does Texas or A&M recruit ANYBODY out of state. Good lord, everybody on that field is from Texas.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Does Texas or A&M recruit ANYBODY out of state. Good lord, everybody on that field is from Texas.

 

A quick look shows they have 35 combined out of state players on both rosters. There's probably at least 150 players total on the two rosters.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

A&M leads Texas 15-14 in the second quarter.

[adamb0719]

A&M leads Texas 15-14 in the second quarter.

 

and just recovered a fumble.

[Derwood]

21-15 at the half. Penn State has a lot riding on this (as well as LSU's next 2 games).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

A&M out to a 22-21 lead in the 3rd. Go Aggies!