A new way of looking at RBI

[bukie]

I understand the limited usefulness of the RBI stat in itself. What I am wondering is if there was ever a stat created that measured a sort of RBI percentage. Something that measured RBI compared to total RBI chances, even weighted pending the base each runner was at.

 

Anyone heard of such a stat existing somewhere in the SABR universe?

[imb]

i dont know what good it would do, since it all falls back on barisp, which seems to bounce from player to player and year to year.

[cubbieinexile]

yes, look on retrosheet

[CubinNY]

i dont know what good it would do, since it all falls back on barisp, which seems to bounce from player to player and year to year.

 

Those are my thoughts too. The only thing not taken into account would be sac flies or bunts.

 

We all know Adam Dunn Sox b/c he only had one sac fly this year.

[bukie]

i dont know what good it would do, since it all falls back on barisp, which seems to bounce from player to player and year to year.

 

Yeah, I'm mostly trying to see if there is any such thing as a true "RBI man". Sheer # of RBIs has very little to do with ability, as where you are in the lineup and how many opportunities you get have more to do with that number.

 

I know for the most part that BA with RISP varies year-to-year and most often is reflected in a player's overall effectiveness. I would assume RBIs per opportunity would vary in a similar way.

[imb]

i dont know what good it would do, since it all falls back on barisp, which seems to bounce from player to player and year to year.

 

Yeah, I'm mostly trying to see if there is any such thing as a true "RBI man". Sheer # of RBIs has very little to do with ability, as where you are in the lineup and how many opportunities you get have more to do with that number.

 

I know for the most part that BA with RISP varies year-to-year and most often is reflected in a player's overall effectiveness. I would assume RBIs per opportunity would vary in a similar way.

 

I dont think there is a need to find a "true rbi man". Just look for good hitters, and try to get them in a spot in the lineup where theyre most likely to come up with runners on base.

[cubbieinexile]

The player who have done the best in RBI opps:

Name               RBI   ERBI   RPRO ParkF   ER/P   RP/P   RPRW
Barry Bonds       1843 1053.0  790.0  .974 1025.8  817.2   90.4
Hank Aaron        1594  937.0  657.0 1.012  948.1  645.9   79.5
Willie Stargell   1492  902.6  589.4 1.002  904.4  587.6   72.6
Willie McCovey    1518  952.7  565.3  .993  946.4  571.6   70.8
Mark McGwire      1414  809.4  604.6  .966  782.2  631.8   66.5
Reggie Jackson    1702 1189.5  512.5  .966 1149.1  552.9   65.7
Harmon Killebrew  1448  891.7  556.3 1.038  925.8  522.2   64.4
Mike Schmidt      1595 1029.2  565.8 1.036 1065.8  529.2   64.1
Frank Robinson    1444  950.7  493.3 1.000  951.2  492.8   60.3
Eddie Murray      1917 1459.6  457.4  .978 1427.1  489.9   55.5
Willie Mays       1194  744.0  450.0  .994  739.3  454.7   55.2
Sammy Sosa        1530 1037.6  492.4 1.003 1040.6  489.4   52.1
Billy Williams    1465  986.4  478.6 1.065 1050.4  414.6   51.7
Dick Allen        1119  708.3  410.7 1.008  713.7  405.3   51.7
Jeff Bagwell      1510 1045.3  464.7  .987 1032.2  477.8   51.6
Frank Howard      1111  724.6  386.4  .982  711.3  399.7   50.0
Dave Winfield     1833 1445.0  388.0  .969 1399.8  433.2   49.9
Boog Powell       1187  806.6  380.4  .987  795.8  391.2   49.5
Ken Griffey       1444  955.8  488.2 1.015  970.6  473.4   48.0
Frank Thomas      1439  972.3  466.7  .998  970.3  468.7   47.2

[bukie]

The player who have done the best in RBI opps:

Name               RBI   ERBI   RPRO ParkF   ER/P   RP/P   RPRW
Barry Bonds       1843 1053.0  790.0  .974 1025.8  817.2   90.4
Hank Aaron        1594  937.0  657.0 1.012  948.1  645.9   79.5
Willie Stargell   1492  902.6  589.4 1.002  904.4  587.6   72.6
Willie McCovey    1518  952.7  565.3  .993  946.4  571.6   70.8
Mark McGwire      1414  809.4  604.6  .966  782.2  631.8   66.5
Reggie Jackson    1702 1189.5  512.5  .966 1149.1  552.9   65.7
Harmon Killebrew  1448  891.7  556.3 1.038  925.8  522.2   64.4
Mike Schmidt      1595 1029.2  565.8 1.036 1065.8  529.2   64.1
Frank Robinson    1444  950.7  493.3 1.000  951.2  492.8   60.3
Eddie Murray      1917 1459.6  457.4  .978 1427.1  489.9   55.5
Willie Mays       1194  744.0  450.0  .994  739.3  454.7   55.2
Sammy Sosa        1530 1037.6  492.4 1.003 1040.6  489.4   52.1
Billy Williams    1465  986.4  478.6 1.065 1050.4  414.6   51.7
Dick Allen        1119  708.3  410.7 1.008  713.7  405.3   51.7
Jeff Bagwell      1510 1045.3  464.7  .987 1032.2  477.8   51.6
Frank Howard      1111  724.6  386.4  .982  711.3  399.7   50.0
Dave Winfield     1833 1445.0  388.0  .969 1399.8  433.2   49.9
Boog Powell       1187  806.6  380.4  .987  795.8  391.2   49.5
Ken Griffey       1444  955.8  488.2 1.015  970.6  473.4   48.0
Frank Thomas      1439  972.3  466.7  .998  970.3  468.7   47.2

 

Yep, that's pretty much exactly what I was looking for. Not really any oddities, as that list pretty well describes the premier hitters of the past 40-odd years. Certainly all guys I would never mind having up in run-scoring situations (in their primes...not sure Bagwell right now is the best guy on their team at this point in his career).

 

And here's an article from retrosheet that details my thoughts pretty much exactly: http://www.retrosheet.org/Research/RuaneT/rbipro_art.htm