Predict the Apology

[Chris]

My point is that Paul rolled the ball before the out was called and I do find fault with that.

 

After watching the replay I'm not so sure of that. It's certainly not a situation where he threw the ball to the mound, took 5 steps and then the umpire clutched his fist for the out.

[adamb0719]

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

 

That is the whole problem. Why did he call him out and let him stay at first? That is what is so confusing, and makes the call ridiculous. There is no way to argue that he was not called out. Every replay shows he used the same motions as every other third strike called out. When the balls were in the ground, he did not pump his fist until a tag or throw to first. In this situation he did what he does for a third strike out. To me the problem lies in the fact that Eddings said he was watching Paul to see what he did, and he did not say the ball was dropped. Why does it matter what Paul or A.J. did? The call was out and Eddings did not take control of the situation. He just let A.J. run after calling him out.

 

If Eddings watched Paul then why din't he call AJ out because it was obvious that Paul thought he caught the ball.

 

He did call him out. That is the problem. At this point the ball being caught or hitting the ground is irrelevant. He was called out and allowed to stay on base. That is the only problem right now.

[K-Town]

My point is that Paul rolled the ball before the out was called and I do find fault with that. I am not saying what the ump did was right but Paul took a chance and lost.

 

Like I said, you're simply trying to divert from the real issue. That's fine. Nobody's buying it.

[CuseCubFan69]

My point is that Paul rolled the ball before the out was called and I do find fault with that. I am not saying what the ump did was right but Paul took a chance and lost.

 

Like I said, you're simply trying to divert from the real issue. That's fine. Nobody's buying it.

 

I am saying that Paul assumed too quick and if you think that's diversion that's your choice.

[CuseCubFan69]

My point is that Paul rolled the ball before the out was called and I do find fault with that.

 

After watching the replay I'm not so sure of that. It's certainly not a situation where he threw the ball to the mound, took 5 steps and then the umpire clutched his fist for the out.

 

It doesn't have to be that. The ump has to call a batter out first then roll the ball and I thought that Paul did it too soon.

 

Also, what was verbally said during the play...does anyone know?

[Chris]

Also, what was verbally said during the play...does anyone know?

 

Nothing, which was why AJ said he ran. But then again, AJ didn't see the umpire signal him out.

[adamb0719]

My point is that Paul rolled the ball before the out was called and I do find fault with that.

 

After watching the replay I'm not so sure of that. It's certainly not a situation where he threw the ball to the mound, took 5 steps and then the umpire clutched his fist for the out.

 

It doesn't have to be that. The ump has to call a batter out first then roll the ball and I thought that Paul did it too soon.

 

Also, what was verbally said during the play...does anyone know?

 

What wasn't said was that the ball hit the ground, which usually is. That was admitted in the post game interview.

[treebird]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

[CuseCubFan69]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

[goonys evil twin]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

[Chris]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

Or the umpire should've upheld his call

[adamb0719]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

Likewise an ump standing by his call could have saved the Angels a lot of grief.

[CuseCubFan69]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

[K-Town]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

[CuseCubFan69]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

Indecision.

[K-Town]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

Indecision.

 

How is it biting him? He gets paid, regardless of how horrible the call was. It's biting the Angels.

[sethuel1]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

Indecision.

 

How is it biting him? He gets paid, regardless of how horrible the call was. It's biting the Angels.

 

Well, he's never going to be invited to my house again for dinner, that's for certain.

[Chris]

Well, he's never going to be invited to my house again for dinner, that's for certain.

 

=D>

[frostwyrm]

There should be a rule for this situation requiring the ump to make a unambiguous verbal notification that the runner is live. If no such notification is issued the players should then assume a valid strikeout and a dead runner. It doesn't have to be complicated, the home plate ump can simply shout "live runner!". 1st and 3rd base umps, depending on LH or RH batter, should also be allowed to issue a visual "live runner" notification at their discretion since there really isn't time for the home plate ump to ask for help, as we saw last night.

[CuseCubFan69]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

Indecision.

 

How is it biting him?

He gets paid, regardless of how horrible the call was.

It's biting the Angels.

 

So do the Angles. Do you think these guys are robots or something? They make mistakes and I'm sure they feel bad if they do.

[CuseCubFan69]

There should be a rule for this situation requiring the ump to make a unambiguous verbal notification that the runner is live. If no such notification is issued the players should then assume a valid strikeout and a dead runner. It doesn't have to be complicated, the home plate ump can simply shout "live runner!". 1st and 3rd base umps, depending on LH or RH batter, should also be allowed to issue a visual "live runner" notification at their discretion since there really isn't time for the home plate ump to ask for help, as we saw last night.

 

What is the MLB rule on this?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

Indecision.

 

How is it biting him?

He gets paid, regardless of how horrible the call was.

It's biting the Angels.

 

So do the Angles. Do you think these guys are robots or something? They make mistakes and I'm sure they feel bad if they do.

 

They sure showed no remose in the press conference.

[CuseCubFan69]

the angels shouldve just not sucked and given up the double.

 

It would have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

competence also could have saved the umps a lot of grief.

 

True. He made a mistake and it came back to bite him big time.

 

 

How so?

 

If he has to come to Anaheim today, let's just say Southern Californians have threatened to do more than bite him. :o

 

Cuse, there's one inconsistency when you say Josh Paul should have tagged him just in case. Eddings and all MLB umps yell, "NOT CAUGHT! NOT CAUGHT!" when a catcher needs to tag or throw the ball to first. Eddings didn't do that. Don't blame Paul for Eddings screw up. AJP also heard no "NOT CAUGHT!" and yet he went to first base.

 

Is that a MLB rule for the ump to yell that? Also, what compelled AJP to run? AJP is a catcher and he knows the rules and he ran while Paul thought otherwise.

[CuseCubFan69]

How is it biting him?

He gets paid, regardless of how horrible the call was.

It's biting the Angels.

 

So do the Angles. Do you think these guys are robots or something? They make mistakes and I'm sure they feel bad if they do.

 

They sure showed no remose in the press conference.

 

Do you really think an ump is going to say "Yeah, I blew the call...I feel bad." More indecision leads to even more trouble in their eyes.