Walker's Nonstop Mouth

[CubfaninCA]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

[sandberg23]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

yeah, that's the problem.

 

He's missed quite a few games this year.

 

Due to fluke injuries that couldn't have been predicted nor prevented.

[rocket]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

 

and if he gets injured we're out only 2.5 million and he can be replaced with ronnie cedeno.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

 

He's getting older (who doesn't?) and so he might be injury-prone? Yet, you want to acquire Cliff Floyd.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Look at Walker's offensive stats vs. Perez's:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=359&position=2B&page=1&type=full

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.aspx?playerid=620&position=2B_SS&page=1&type=full

 

look at OBP and BB/K especially. can anyone honestly say Neifi deserves to start on a 100M team? ...especially over walker?!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Looks to me like this is Walker's first injury since 2000. He's not falling apart at the seams at 32.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And it's not like we're signing Walker to a long-term deal either.

 

It's one year at 2.5 million. His numbers are very good at a very good price.

 

The grasping at straws of those who want Walker gone is pretty comical. I don't know why there are so many Walker detractors.

 

You don't see people attacking Ramirez this way when his defense is worse than Walker's, he's just as injury prone, seems to lack hustle while Walker doesn't, and makes a hell of a lot more money than Walker. If we want to upgrade our defense, why not trade Ramirez and look for a better defensive thirdbaseman. We could even save some money then....:roll:

Edited September 26, 2005 by vance_the_cubs_fan

[JC]

Looks to me like this is Walker's first injury since 2000. He's not falling apart at the seams at 32.

 

:scratch:

 

What about his run-in with Carlos Lee? Though not serious, wasn't he also injured last year?

[CubfaninCA]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

 

He's getting older (who doesn't?) and so he might be injury-prone? Yet, you want to acquire Cliff Floyd.

 

Cliff Floyd's an ideal clean-up guy for Baker. Murton can bat second in the order and they can give Cedeno the 2b job.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

 

He's getting older (who doesn't?) and so he might be injury-prone? Yet, you want to acquire Cliff Floyd.

 

Cliff Floyd's an ideal clean-up guy for Baker. Murton can bat second in the order and they can give Cedeno the 2b job.

 

Why not keep Walker's cheap production and go for a better upgrade than Floyd?

[CubfaninCA]

And it's not like we're signing Walker to a long-term deal either.

 

It's one year at 2.5 million. His numbers are very good at a very good price.

 

The grasping at straws of those who want Walker gone is pretty comical. I don't know why there are so many Walker detractors.

 

You don't see people attacking Ramirez this way when his defense is worse than Walker's, he's just as injury prone, seems to lack hustle while Walker doesn't, and makes a hell of a lot more money than Walker. If we want to upgrade our defense, why not trade Ramirez and look for a better defensive thirdbaseman. We could even save some money then....:roll:

 

Cmon Ramirez >>> Walker.

 

Give me Furcal and Cedeno up the middle.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And it's not like we're signing Walker to a long-term deal either.

 

It's one year at 2.5 million. His numbers are very good at a very good price.

 

The grasping at straws of those who want Walker gone is pretty comical. I don't know why there are so many Walker detractors.

 

You don't see people attacking Ramirez this way when his defense is worse than Walker's, he's just as injury prone, seems to lack hustle while Walker doesn't, and makes a hell of a lot more money than Walker. If we want to upgrade our defense, why not trade Ramirez and look for a better defensive thirdbaseman. We could even save some money then....:roll:

 

Cmon Ramirez >>> Walker.

 

Give me Furcal and Cedeno up the middle.

 

Ramirez is greater than Walker, but at a much greater cost. Both should be part of the Cubs plans this season.

[sandberg23]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

 

He's getting older (who doesn't?) and so he might be injury-prone? Yet, you want to acquire Cliff Floyd.

 

Cliff Floyd's an ideal clean-up guy for Baker. Murton can bat second in the order and they can give Cedeno the 2b job.

 

With Baker at the helm?

[CubfaninCA]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

 

He's getting older (who doesn't?) and so he might be injury-prone? Yet, you want to acquire Cliff Floyd.

 

Cliff Floyd's an ideal clean-up guy for Baker. Murton can bat second in the order and they can give Cedeno the 2b job.

 

Why not keep Walker's cheap production and go for a better upgrade than Floyd?

 

Well, I'd prefer Giles or Manny, but this the Cubs not the Yankees. Just being realistic.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Looks to me like this is Walker's first injury since 2000. He's not falling apart at the seams at 32.

 

:scratch:

 

What about his run-in with Carlos Lee? Though not serious, wasn't he also injured last year?

 

Misworded, I meant it was his first season with an injury since 2000. I don't remember if he was hurt last year, but if it was it was really minor since he played in 129 games while Grudz played 81.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

And it's not like we're signing Walker to a long-term deal either.

 

It's one year at 2.5 million. His numbers are very good at a very good price.

 

The grasping at straws of those who want Walker gone is pretty comical. I don't know why there are so many Walker detractors.

 

You don't see people attacking Ramirez this way when his defense is worse than Walker's, he's just as injury prone, seems to lack hustle while Walker doesn't, and makes a hell of a lot more money than Walker. If we want to upgrade our defense, why not trade Ramirez and look for a better defensive thirdbaseman. We could even save some money then....:roll:

 

Cmon Ramirez >>> Walker.

 

Give me Furcal and Cedeno up the middle.

 

Ramirez is greater than Walker, but at a much greater cost. Both should be part of the Cubs plans this season.

 

Also they are similar relative to their competition performance wise. Both are probably close to top 5 in the league for their position without looking it up.

 

EDIT: Ramirez is 2nd in NL 3B in OPS, Walker is 3rd among NL 2B.

Edited September 26, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Well, I'd prefer Giles or Manny, but this the Cubs not the Yankees. Just being realistic.

 

Giles is very realistic. If the Cubs went with Walker (2.5) at 2nd and Nomar at SS (5-6 + incentives) the money will be there to pursue Giles.

[CubfaninCA]

Wouldn't mind seeing Walker gone. He's getting older, which makes him more prone to injury and the Cubs could use a chemistry shake-up.

 

Yeah, let's get rid of a secondbaseman that hit 302/355/475 at 2.5 million for the sake of chemistry. :roll:

 

Read again. There's more to it than just chemistry.

 

He's getting older (who doesn't?) and so he might be injury-prone? Yet, you want to acquire Cliff Floyd.

 

Cliff Floyd's an ideal clean-up guy for Baker. Murton can bat second in the order and they can give Cedeno the 2b job.

 

With Baker at the helm?

 

Well, my guess is that Baker will have Furcal and Lofton next year, and Murton will bat 6th or 7th. But if no Lofton, Baker may not have many options. He may go w/ Cedeno over Murton though. Unless Neifi's brought back, which I doubt. Neifi will get more money elsewhere.

[CubfaninCA]

And it's not like we're signing Walker to a long-term deal either.

 

It's one year at 2.5 million. His numbers are very good at a very good price.

 

The grasping at straws of those who want Walker gone is pretty comical. I don't know why there are so many Walker detractors.

 

You don't see people attacking Ramirez this way when his defense is worse than Walker's, he's just as injury prone, seems to lack hustle while Walker doesn't, and makes a hell of a lot more money than Walker. If we want to upgrade our defense, why not trade Ramirez and look for a better defensive thirdbaseman. We could even save some money then....:roll:

 

Cmon Ramirez >>> Walker.

 

Give me Furcal and Cedeno up the middle.

 

Ramirez is greater than Walker, but at a much greater cost. Both should be part of the Cubs plans this season.

 

Also they are similar relative to their competition performance wise. Both are probably close to top 5 in the league for their position without looking it up.

 

EDIT: Ramirez is 2nd in NL 3B in OPS, Walker is 3rd among NL 2B.

 

Ramirez is quite a bit younger though and they don't have any waiting in the wings to take over for ARam.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And it's not like we're signing Walker to a long-term deal either.

 

It's one year at 2.5 million. His numbers are very good at a very good price.

 

The grasping at straws of those who want Walker gone is pretty comical. I don't know why there are so many Walker detractors.

 

You don't see people attacking Ramirez this way when his defense is worse than Walker's, he's just as injury prone, seems to lack hustle while Walker doesn't, and makes a hell of a lot more money than Walker. If we want to upgrade our defense, why not trade Ramirez and look for a better defensive thirdbaseman. We could even save some money then....:roll:

 

Cmon Ramirez >>> Walker.

 

Give me Furcal and Cedeno up the middle.

 

Ramirez is greater than Walker, but at a much greater cost. Both should be part of the Cubs plans this season.

 

Also they are similar relative to their competition performance wise. Both are probably close to top 5 in the league for their position without looking it up.

 

EDIT: Ramirez is 2nd in NL 3B in OPS, Walker is 3rd among NL 2B.

 

Ramirez is quite a bit younger though and they don't have any waiting in the wings to take over for ARam.

 

Cedeno could play third.

 

My point wasn't trying to say Walker is more valuable than Ramirez. Both players are much better than league average at their positions.

 

My point was saying that there is more reasons to criticize Ramirez and chastise him as there are to do such to Walker.

 

Considering Ramirez is due over ten million next season and Walker is due 2.5 million, I just can't fathom why people don't want Walker back at that price.

[CubfaninCA]

 

Well, I'd prefer Giles or Manny, but this the Cubs not the Yankees. Just being realistic.

 

Giles is very realistic. If the Cubs went with Walker (2.5) at 2nd and Nomar at SS (5-6 + incentives) the money will be there to pursue Giles.

 

They've had the money to do a lot of things over the years.. Burnett's probably more realistic than Giles.

 

Anyone want to start taking bets on the Cubs getting Giles?? :o

[CubfaninCA]

And it's not like we're signing Walker to a long-term deal either.

 

It's one year at 2.5 million. His numbers are very good at a very good price.

 

The grasping at straws of those who want Walker gone is pretty comical. I don't know why there are so many Walker detractors.

 

You don't see people attacking Ramirez this way when his defense is worse than Walker's, he's just as injury prone, seems to lack hustle while Walker doesn't, and makes a hell of a lot more money than Walker. If we want to upgrade our defense, why not trade Ramirez and look for a better defensive thirdbaseman. We could even save some money then....:roll:

 

Cmon Ramirez >>> Walker.

 

Give me Furcal and Cedeno up the middle.

 

Ramirez is greater than Walker, but at a much greater cost. Both should be part of the Cubs plans this season.

 

Also they are similar relative to their competition performance wise. Both are probably close to top 5 in the league for their position without looking it up.

 

EDIT: Ramirez is 2nd in NL 3B in OPS, Walker is 3rd among NL 2B.

 

Ramirez is quite a bit younger though and they don't have any waiting in the wings to take over for ARam.

 

Cedeno could play third.

 

My point wasn't trying to say Walker is more valuable than Ramirez. Both players are much better than league average at their positions.

 

My point was saying that there is more reasons to criticize Ramirez and chastise him as there are to do such to Walker.

 

Considering Ramirez is due over ten million next season and Walker is due 2.5 million, I just can't fathom why people don't want Walker back at that price.

 

I'm not going to criticize Walker, he's been alright, but he's missed a good number of games this year, so I can't consider his overall performance as good or very good. I just much prefer the guy entering his prime over the guy leaving his prime.

 

Am curious what Walker's training regime consists of. He doesn't strike me as someone who works out hard. Perhaps I'm wrong on that though, which may change my "mind" some.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

 

Well, I'd prefer Giles or Manny, but this the Cubs not the Yankees. Just being realistic.

 

Giles is very realistic. If the Cubs went with Walker (2.5) at 2nd and Nomar at SS (5-6 + incentives) the money will be there to pursue Giles.

 

We went with Walker and Nomar at 2B and SS this year. That didn't work out so well for us. The only difference between this year's approach and next year's approach is that we can conceivably count on Cedeno if Nomar gets hurt. We do have money (from a lack of Sosa) to spend on the OF, but really, counting on Nomar to be healthy for a full season has a low probability of becoming reality.

 

If we resign Nomar, it had better be at a very low base (2-4M) and high incremented PA incentive laden deal. If he does go down, we have Cedeno in the wings and money to throw away via trade mid-season.

 

I love Nomar, but we'd better have several backup plans for SS if he stays on the team.

[CubfaninCA]

 

Well, I'd prefer Giles or Manny, but this the Cubs not the Yankees. Just being realistic.

 

Giles is very realistic. If the Cubs went with Walker (2.5) at 2nd and Nomar at SS (5-6 + incentives) the money will be there to pursue Giles.

 

We went with Walker and Nomar at 2B and SS this year. That didn't work out so well for us. The only difference between this year's approach and next year's approach is that we can conceivably count on Cedeno if Nomar gets hurt. We do have money (from a lack of Sosa) to spend on the OF, but really, counting on Nomar to be healthy for a full season has a low probability of becoming reality.

 

If we resign Nomar, it had better be at a very low base (2-4M) and high incremented PA incentive laden deal. If he does go down, we have Cedeno in the wings and money to throw away via trade mid-season.

 

I love Nomar, but we'd better have several backup plans for SS if he stays on the team.

 

They could have backups in Hairston and Cedeno, but my guess is that some of the pitchers are grumbling about the d. Am guessing that Zambrano's doing the most of it. Since they want to keep the pitchers happy and keep them around for a while, they'll probably tweak the d some, which probably means no more Walker and Nomar up the middle. Can see Barrett being gone too.

[erik316wttn]

 

Well, I'd prefer Giles or Manny, but this the Cubs not the Yankees. Just being realistic.

 

Giles is very realistic. If the Cubs went with Walker (2.5) at 2nd and Nomar at SS (5-6 + incentives) the money will be there to pursue Giles.

 

We went with Walker and Nomar at 2B and SS this year. That didn't work out so well for us. The only difference between this year's approach and next year's approach is that we can conceivably count on Cedeno if Nomar gets hurt. We do have money (from a lack of Sosa) to spend on the OF, but really, counting on Nomar to be healthy for a full season has a low probability of becoming reality.

 

If we resign Nomar, it had better be at a very low base (2-4M) and high incremented PA incentive laden deal. If he does go down, we have Cedeno in the wings and money to throw away via trade mid-season.

 

I love Nomar, but we'd better have several backup plans for SS if he stays on the team.

 

They could have backups in Hairston and Cedeno, but my guess is that some of the pitchers are grumbling about the d. Am guessing that Zambrano's doing the most of it. Since they want to keep the pitchers happy and keep them around for a while, they'll probably tweak the d some, which probably means no more Walker and Nomar up the middle. Can see Barrett being gone too.

 

Well then they had better get the damn bats to replace Walker, Nomar, and Barrett. Because if you think our offense sucks NOW......