Can we win with 3 rookie starters in 06?

[jyoung55]

i don't want Pie starting in the majors next year.

Sounds like Dusty Baker. :roll: :roll:

But seriously, I think due to his injury, Pie should start the season in AAA, then come up around May.

 

Edit: moved to more relevant thread.

[rawaction]

I'll put up with Corey ONE more year, just until I know Pie will get another full season in the minors. He needs it to work on his plate discipline.

 

Sing will mash, him in LF with Murton in RF would be a nice cheap way to set up the OF. Then in 2007, Sing in LF, Pie in CF, and Murton in RF would give us our future OF.

 

Sing could probably hit .260/.380/.490 next year, and that would be damn good. I'd like to see him get a shot.

 

But I do worry about the pitching now. Remember just a couple years ago when that was something we thought we had settled for the next decade?

 

Oh I miss 2003...

 

I like Brandon Sing alot, but I think you gotta beware of Jason Dubois syndrome with him. I think he will have trouble adjusting to ML pitching. I think his plate discipline will suffer because there won't be the situations where he's pitched around like he is now in the minors. IF the Cubs are gonna give Brandon Sing the LF job in 2006, it's gonna be a long season for him and the Cubs.

[erik316wttn]

I'll put up with Corey ONE more year, just until I know Pie will get another full season in the minors. He needs it to work on his plate discipline.

 

Sing will mash, him in LF with Murton in RF would be a nice cheap way to set up the OF. Then in 2007, Sing in LF, Pie in CF, and Murton in RF would give us our future OF.

 

Sing could probably hit .260/.380/.490 next year, and that would be damn good. I'd like to see him get a shot.

 

But I do worry about the pitching now. Remember just a couple years ago when that was something we thought we had settled for the next decade?

 

Oh I miss 2003...

 

I like Brandon Sing alot, but I think you gotta beware of Jason Dubois syndrome with him. I think he will have trouble adjusting to ML pitching. I think his plate discipline will suffer because there won't be the situations where he's pitched around like he is now in the minors. IF the Cubs are gonna give Brandon Sing the LF job in 2006, it's gonna be a long season for him and the Cubs.

 

So what would you do, Raw? Start him in AAA and bring him up in June or so if he hits?

[rawaction]

I'll put up with Corey ONE more year, just until I know Pie will get another full season in the minors. He needs it to work on his plate discipline.

 

Sing will mash, him in LF with Murton in RF would be a nice cheap way to set up the OF. Then in 2007, Sing in LF, Pie in CF, and Murton in RF would give us our future OF.

 

Sing could probably hit .260/.380/.490 next year, and that would be damn good. I'd like to see him get a shot.

 

But I do worry about the pitching now. Remember just a couple years ago when that was something we thought we had settled for the next decade?

 

Oh I miss 2003...

 

I like Brandon Sing alot, but I think you gotta beware of Jason Dubois syndrome with him. I think he will have trouble adjusting to ML pitching. I think his plate discipline will suffer because there won't be the situations where he's pitched around like he is now in the minors. IF the Cubs are gonna give Brandon Sing the LF job in 2006, it's gonna be a long season for him and the Cubs.

 

So what would you do, Raw? Start him in AAA and bring him up in June or so if he hits?

 

Yep. He would be my LF in Iowa.

[NewUserName]

For everyone that wants to go out and get "Free" agents, what in the Cubs history of acquiring other teams overpaid past prime players has got you so sure this is the way to build a winner. I will say this again but Brian Giles is going to be a albatross around some teams neck in 2 years. Since he is going to be the 2nd in demand outfielder on the market he will get way overpaid and since he is 35 will probably be really a burden in 2 years. Before you say sign him to a 2 year deal with a club option good luck.

 

The only big time free agent I would be interested in is Frucal because he is still rather young. I think he is also going to come with a heavy price tag. I would rather see us give Cedeno the chance and save the money for Lee, Prior and Zambrano

 

Realistically I can think of only one team in baseball history that went from being below 500 went on a free agent spending spree and won the world series that year (97 Marlins)

 

I cant even think of 1 big time Free agent the Cubs have ever acquired that was worth the money we spent on him(I know there is some minor ones like Todd Walker, but i cant think of a major one)

 

Lets do something that the Cubs have never been committed to doing, play youth and i dont mean just for 3 weeks(dubois) I mean play them for the season. See were we stand at the end of the season and add moderate Free agents like Todd Walker to fill the gaps. Because at the end of the day ALL of the moves that I have seen suggested on this board would only probably get us the 85-90 wins. If you subtract the wins that Dusty will give away it doesnt get you in the playoffs and will hinder our ability to resign Lee, Proir and Zambrano

[Fred Hornkohl]

Prior now routinely pitches the basic quality start. Well, they are "quality", but if you do one of those every time out you have a 4.50 ERA, which is about twice the ERA we expect from Prior.

So we go into next year with 1.5 pieces of known quantity (the half is Prior), and 3.5 questionables or question marks. That's no way to get to the playoffs.

 

I would really encourage you to look at Prior's game log more closely. To date, he's made 22 starts, 17 of them qualify as "quality starts". In those 17 games, his ERA is 2.57 and the CUBS are 14-3. Is this what you call half a pitcher? In my book, he's a whole lot more than "one half piece of known quantity".

[neely crenshaw]

since july1, his era is almost 1.5 points higher than maddux's....as the season has worn on he has become very average. he is still good but not the prior we all hope for...and need.

 

you all want maddux gone but here's the stats

maddux is 10-11

since july 1st his era has dropped from 5.02 to 4.43

during that time, he has gone 3-5 and the cubs have gone3-8

prior on the other hand has gone from 2.68 era to 3.76.

during that time he has gone 5-4 and the cubs 7-5. his era during that span has been 4.86, maddux's has been 3.54

take away 2 bad starts(out of 10) for maddux and he has a 2.36...take way prior's one great start and he is at 5.30 for his 11 starts.

maddux has also thrown the same amount of innings in one less start.

the point is if prior's quality starts came on maddux days the record would be much different. quality starts are nice but we need more than 6 innings and 3 earned runs from prior. if we are going to continue to bank on pitching, we need prior at 2.70 not 3.70! and if this trend doesn't stop or slow down mighty mark prior will be sitting at a 4.00 era this season! quality starts or not.

[Fred Hornkohl]

since july1, his era is almost 1.5 points higher than maddux's....as the season has worn on he has become very average. he is still good but not the prior we all hope for...and need.

 

you all want maddux gone but here's the stats

maddux is 10-11

since july 1st his era has dropped from 5.02 to 4.43

during that time, he has gone 3-5 and the cubs have gone3-8

prior on the other hand has gone from 2.68 era to 3.76.

during that time he has gone 5-4 and the cubs 7-5. his era during that span has been 4.86, maddux's has been 3.54

take away 2 bad starts(out of 10) for maddux and he has a 2.36...take way prior's one great start and he is at 5.30 for his 11 starts.

maddux has also thrown the same amount of innings in one less start.

the point is if prior's quality starts came on maddux days the record would be much different. quality starts are nice but we need more than 6 innings and 3 earned runs from prior. if we are going to continue to bank on pitching, we need prior at 2.70 not 3.70! and if this trend doesn't stop or slow down mighty mark prior will be sitting at a 4.00 era this season! quality starts or not.

 

You are, of course, correct, Selectively ignoring certain parts of a player's performance is the key to determining how good or bad they are.

 

Btw,.... did you notice what happens to Neifi Perez' stat line when you remove that horrible 5 weeks slump (06 Jun thru 09 July) he was in ???

 

               AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR  TB RBI  BB  SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Perez         347  38 113  24   2   9 168  43  12  27  0.326  0.350  0.484  0.834

 

He really did save us, eh?