Remlinger to Red Sox

[JC]

 

It wasn't necessarily that bad of a contract if you considered all factors. First, we were at a time when no one had faith that the company was going to try to field a winning team, so we had to pay a premium to get people to come here. He wasn't THAT old when we signed him, it's not like we offered a multiyear deal to a 39 or 40 year old. Remmy had an ERA in the low to mid 2.00s combined over the last few years before we signed him, and was one of the elite relievers in the league. However, Dusty never did figure out how to use him properly, and he was plagued by injuries. Sometimes when you sign people, things don't work out. It's easy to criticize moves after the fact, but considering all of the facts that were available at the time, it wasn't a bad move by Hendry to sign him to the contract that he did.

 

Look, I very overtly criticized this signing when it occurred. The guy was 36 years old. His contract paid him about $2.6M the first year, and he has averaged $4M the last two years at 38 and 39, respectively. It was an enormously bad contract from the beginning.

 

Further, I don't buy for a minute this garbage about having to pay premiums for big name free agents. It simply isn't true. The Cubs have managed to get plenty of FAs over the years without having to get gouged. Further, Dusty Baker was supposed to be the bug light drawing these guys in to play for him, because EVERYONE wants to play for Dusty. Don't tell me you haven't heard that overhyped mantra.

 

Hawkins' contract was more palatable due to his age and consistent performance as a set-up man. Despite Hawkins' meltdown, I haven't been overly critical of that signing. However, Rem was different. It was poor identification of what the market was, it was poor evaluation of what Rem had left in the tank, and it was poor utilization, after the signing, of the guy in general.

 

It was a bad contract.

[Tedward]

Astacio is a non-prospect, but it's a case of getting something where we were getting nothing. The cash is insignificant. Had Remlinger not been traded, the Cubs would have been paying him anyway.

 

Did Remmy clear waivers, or did the BoSox put a claim in for him? By your last sentence I assume he cleared.

 

I was listening to the Wilmington Blue Rocks (BOS High A) earlier today, and the announcers said that the Bo Sox did put in a claim for him. They found it interesting, because the Yankees have made it known that they would be putting in claims / blocking to keep Boston from making any improvements to their roster. I guess the Yanks doesn't think too highly of Remmy.

[nilodnayr]

Astacio is a non-prospect, but it's a case of getting something where we were getting nothing. The cash is insignificant. Had Remlinger not been traded, the Cubs would have been paying him anyway.

 

Did Remmy clear waivers, or did the BoSox put a claim in for him? By your last sentence I assume he cleared.

 

I was listening to the Wilmington Blue Rocks (BOS High A) earlier today, and the announcers said that the Bo Sox did put in a claim for him. They found it interesting, because the Yankees have made it known that they would be putting in claims / blocking to keep Boston from making any improvements to their roster. I guess the Yanks doesn't think too highly of Remmy.

 

Well then that means that the cubs could have let him go to Boston for nothing in return and would not have had to pay a cent for him for the rest of the year. From what I understand about this prospect, that probably would have been the preferred transaction, depending on how much money we sent.

[SCCubbieFAN]

Well then that means that the cubs could have let him go to Boston for nothing in return and would not have had to pay a cent for him for the rest of the year. From what I understand about this prospect, that probably would have been the preferred transaction, depending on how much money we sent.

 

Not necessarily. The fact that a trade was actually made says one of 2 things. He either cleared waivers and then the trade was made or Theo told Hendry Boston will claim him if and only if the Cubs pay part of his remaining salary. Hendry then countered with throw in a prospect and you got a deal.

[JGalt73]

Bad first outing for Remmy.

 

0 IP, 2H, 4R, 2ER, BB, WP

 

He was hurt by a big Renteria error after letting the first 3 men reach. 2nd ER was after he left.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Bad first outing for Remmy.

 

0 IP, 2H, 4R, 2ER, BB, WP

 

He was hurt by a big Renteria error after letting the first 3 men reach. 2nd ER was after he left.

 

Oh man. He Embree'd it.

[Illini Iceman]

Bad first outing for Remmy.

 

0 IP, 2H, 4R, 2ER, BB, WP

 

He was hurt by a big Renteria error after letting the first 3 men reach. 2nd ER was after he left.

 

He's finished. Boston is just his last gasp before retirement.

[nilodnayr]

Well then that means that the cubs could have let him go to Boston for nothing in return and would not have had to pay a cent for him for the rest of the year. From what I understand about this prospect, that probably would have been the preferred transaction, depending on how much money we sent.

 

Not necessarily. The fact that a trade was actually made says one of 2 things. He either cleared waivers and then the trade was made or Theo told Hendry Boston will claim him if and only if the Cubs pay part of his remaining salary. Hendry then countered with throw in a prospect and you got a deal.

 

If Boston put in a waiver for him (per tedward) then he could not have cleared waivers. At that point the cubs had three options. 1) Let him go to Boston and let them take on the entire amount of remaining salary, 2) Work out a trade with Boston or 3) Pull him back off of waivers and keep him for the rest of the year. The second scenario you pointed out makes sense, Theo had made an agreement with Hendry before putting in the waiver claim as if Boston did not place a claim on him the only team left would have been the whitesox who obviously would not have claimed him and we would have been left paying nearly all of his remaining contract with no minor leaguer to show for it.