Another Idiotic Decision by NCAA

[OleMissCub]

 

if you dont want to answer that's fine, but i dont see what you definition had to do with your usage. context clues lead one to believe that you were not referring to the speed at which things were occurring.

 

Well context clues in this thread also tell me that you seem to have some sort of self-loathing for you own race, constantly referring to "the white people"

[treebird]

im pretty sure that the guy who callously refers to things as [expletive] whenever he doesnt like him should not be the voice of reason when it comes to what is or is not offensive.

 

i dont follow the archie bunker statement, and yes i do know who archie bunker is.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

 

if you dont want to answer that's fine, but i dont see what you definition had to do with your usage. context clues lead one to believe that you were not referring to the speed at which things were occurring.

 

Well context clues in this thread also tell me that you seem to have some sort of self-loathing for you own race, constantly referring to "the white people"

 

what else are the white people supposed to be called? because there's nothing more politically correct than "caucasian", and we all know your stance on political correctness

[OleMissCub]

 

i dont follow the archie bunker statement, and yes i do know who archie bunker is.

 

Archie Bunker was an insensitive, bigitous, racist jerk. As clearly you think I must be.

[OleMissCub]

 

if you dont want to answer that's fine, but i dont see what you definition had to do with your usage. context clues lead one to believe that you were not referring to the speed at which things were occurring.

 

Well context clues in this thread also tell me that you seem to have some sort of self-loathing for you own race, constantly referring to "the white people"

 

what else are the white people supposed to be called? because there's nothing more politically correct than "caucasian", and we all know your stance on political correctness

 

how about "the people who came up with this" not "those white people" as if he isn't one himself. If i was to say "those black people" you'd probably say I was being racist.

[imb]

how can we all not be in agreement that we probably shouldnt be making mascots out of races that we tried to kill off? Isnt that about the most degrading thing ever?

[treebird]

 

i dont follow the archie bunker statement, and yes i do know who archie bunker is.

 

Archie Bunker was an insensitive, bigitous, racist jerk. As clearly you think I must be.

 

ok. i just didnt follow why you went straight for him, i thought maybe it was a joke i didn't get, as my knowledge of all in the family is not particularly great.

[OleMissCub]

how can we all not be in agreement that we probably shouldnt be making mascots out of races that we tried to kill off? Isnt that about the most degrading thing ever?

 

the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians don't seem to mind. I can't speak for natives in other necks of the woods but around here they don't care and I know a good many and am 1/16th myself.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

how can we all not be in agreement that we probably shouldnt be making mascots out of races that we tried to kill off? Isnt that about the most degrading thing ever?

 

the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians don't seem to mind. I can't speak for natives in other necks of the woods but around here they don't care and I know a good many and am 1/16th myself.

 

i think the mississippi band of choctaw indians is in the minority when it comes to native americans' stand on this

[OleMissCub]

how can we all not be in agreement that we probably shouldnt be making mascots out of races that we tried to kill off? Isnt that about the most degrading thing ever?

 

the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians don't seem to mind. I can't speak for natives in other necks of the woods but around here they don't care and I know a good many and am 1/16th myself.

 

i think the mississippi band of choctaw indians is in the minority when it comes to native americans' stand on this

 

Ahh...I see, the Choctaws don't count. And your statistics on this subject are where?

[OleMissCub]

Treebeard, i'm still waiting to know why these schools named their teams after Indian tribes if not for tribute

[imb]

how can we all not be in agreement that we probably shouldnt be making mascots out of races that we tried to kill off? Isnt that about the most degrading thing ever?

 

the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians don't seem to mind. I can't speak for natives in other necks of the woods but around here they don't care and I know a good many and am 1/16th myself.

 

i think the mississippi band of choctaw indians is in the minority when it comes to native americans' stand on this

 

Ahh...I see, the Choctaws don't count. And your statistics on this subject are where?

 

I would be in favor of letting area indian governments decide on whether or not the schools should be able to keep these mascots. Just because the Mississippi Choctaws dont mind, doesnt mean that the Tahlequah Cherokee's enjoy the school here having a REDMAN for a mascot.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

i don't have statistics, but i think the NCAA does, because they just outlawed indian mascots in postseason sporting events

[OleMissCub]

But therein lies a HUGE difference. Redmen IS offensive; Savages IS offensive, Redskisn IS offensive. It is Clearly offensive. Choctaws or Utes is not. And I can't possibly see how it is offensive.

[adamb0719]

Didn't the original ESPN article mention that the Florida State Seminoles had permission from the Florida area Seminoles. So when they remove the mascot will the Seminoles who felt they were being honored be offended? While some mascot names are obviously stereotypical or derogative I don't see how using a TRIBE name is a problem, especially if people of that tribe approve. If a tribe name is being used and there is no members of that tribe who endorse it, then I can see getting rid of it. However if the tribe that is being used is behind the way they are being portrayed then what is the problem?

[sonicdethmonkey0]

Treebeard, i'm still waiting to know why these schools named their teams after Indian tribes if not for tribute

 

yeah, this is probably true in most cases, but i doubt the indians feel tributed to have a colorful picture of them on hats and coats and have thousands of fans do a "tomahawk chop" when andruw jones hits a double

[imb]

But therein lies a HUGE difference. Redmen IS offensive; Savages IS offensive, Redskisn IS offensive. It is Clearly offensive. Choctaws or Utes is not. And I can't possibly see how it is offensive.

 

This is why I said that I would be in favor of letting the local indian groups decide for themselves. Maybe the Mississippi Choctaws are fine, but if the Indian people in Utah don't enjoy being a mascot, I say they shouldnt have to be.

Edited August 6, 2005 by Bunts Lick Butts

[sonicdethmonkey0]

But therein lies a HUGE difference. Redmen IS offensive; Savages IS offensive, Redskisn IS offensive. It is Clearly offensive. Choctaws or Utes is not. And I can't possibly see how it is offensive.

 

maybe they just don't want the name of their tribe to be the name of a sports team, i don't see what is so hard to understand about it. who are we to tell them they shouldn't be offended?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But therein lies a HUGE difference. Redmen IS offensive; Savages IS offensive, Redskisn IS offensive. It is Clearly offensive. Choctaws or Utes is not. And I can't possibly see how it is offensive.

 

maybe they just don't want the name of their tribe to be the name of a sports team, i don't see what is so hard to understand about it. who are we to tell them they shouldn't be offended?

 

Who is the NCAA to say that they are offended? My main problem with this is it only being in effect during playoffs. That's just dumb.

[adamb0719]

completely off topic:

Have been reading this site for awhile but very rarely post. How do I use part of peoples post as a quote in mine. I am doing something wrong because in preview it shows what I wrote as a quote. Sorry to get off topic. Back to the rights/wrongs of school mascots.

[OleMissCub]

But therein lies a HUGE difference. Redmen IS offensive; Savages IS offensive, Redskisn IS offensive. It is Clearly offensive. Choctaws or Utes is not. And I can't possibly see how it is offensive.

 

This is why I said that I would be in favor of letting the local indian groups decide for themselves. Maybe the Mississippi Choctaws are fine, but if the Indian people in Utah don't enjoy being a mascot, I say they shouldnt have to be.

 

then that is fine. Let them speak for themslves.

 

I honestly don't think most Indians give a rats-ass. The Native American reservations in this country are in such squalor that it is emberassing. I think they have great problems on their hands other than mascots. How about the highest suicide and alcoholism rate of any demographic in America. These things need to be worked on. And I know one thing, Mississippi College gives nearly full scholarships to Native Americans.

[treebird]

Treebeard, i'm still waiting to know why these schools named their teams after Indian tribes if not for tribute

 

there are lots of potential reasons. one of the more interesting:

 

say you know a big game hunter. he goes to africa and kills a lion. he comes back and wants to get the head of the lion mounted. he gets it in a scary pose, and hangs it in his den. why? to show people how intimidating and powerful that creature that HE defeated was. it's a tribute to the lion, but it's also a tribute to the hunter who killed it, for he must be very strong indeed if he defeated it.

 

now if that isn't an awesome allegory, i dont know what is.

[OleMissCub]

Treebeard, i'm still waiting to know why these schools named their teams after Indian tribes if not for tribute

 

there are lots of potential reasons. one of the more interesting:

 

say you know a big game hunter. he goes to africa and kills a lion. he comes back and wants to get the head of the lion mounted. he gets it in a scary pose, and hangs it in his den. why? to show people how intimidating and powerful that creature that HE defeated was. it's a tribute to the lion, but it's also a tribute to the hunter who killed it, for he must be very strong indeed if he defeated it.

 

now if that isn't an awesome allegory, i dont know what is.

 

Treebeard... honestly...i'm very impressed. You should come to Law School with me. That is a MASSIVE stretch, but a very good one.

[treebird]

IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE OFFENDED THAT'S ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER

 

not how many people

 

not whether they themselves are native american

 

not whether the people who established the mascot intended it as a tribute.

 

there are people who are offended. that should be the end.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

hmmm i wonder why people who live on a reservation are alcoholics and kill themselves