Letting Wood and Maddux Go..

[TrueBlueCubFan]

i am sure he would clear waivers. san diego would be ideal..petco would not give up cheap home runs. we could use the 9 mil to fill other necessary spots...especially if hill continues to show he can get it done.

 

I don't think Maddux would clear waivers. I think someone would take a shot @ him. IIRC, he has a no trade clause. If he was willing to waive his clause to go to a contender, the team that picked him up through waivers would responsible for his option year of 9 mil in 06'.

I doubt the Cubs expose him to waivers, just thought I'd throw it out there.

[treebird]

i am sure he would clear waivers. san diego would be ideal..petco would not give up cheap home runs. we could use the 9 mil to fill other necessary spots...especially if hill continues to show he can get it done.

 

I don't think Maddux would clear waivers. I think someone would take a shot @ him. IIRC, he has a no trade clause. If he was willing to waive his clause to go to a contender, the team that picked him up through waivers would responsible for his option year of 9 mil in 06'.

I doubt the Cubs expose him to waivers, just thought I'd throw it out there.

 

despite the strong outing today, if somebody claimed maddux, i'd definitely be inclined to let him go. the safety of 200 innings a year is nice, but if it's two hundred innings of 4.80 era, i think we can do better.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

i am sure he would clear waivers. san diego would be ideal..petco would not give up cheap home runs. we could use the 9 mil to fill other necessary spots...especially if hill continues to show he can get it done.

 

I don't think Maddux would clear waivers. I think someone would take a shot @ him. IIRC, he has a no trade clause. If he was willing to waive his clause to go to a contender, the team that picked him up through waivers would responsible for his option year of 9 mil in 06'.

I doubt the Cubs expose him to waivers, just thought I'd throw it out there.

 

despite the strong outing today, if somebody claimed maddux, i'd definitely be inclined to let him go. the safety of 200 innings a year is nice, but if it's two hundred innings of 4.80 era, i think we can do better.

 

Under MLB rules, Is a team allowed to expose someone to waivers with a no-trade clause?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Under MLB rules, Is a team allowed to expose someone to waivers with a no-trade clause?

 

A team can expose anyone they please to waivers, I'm pretty sure of that.

[stitchface]

Both Wood and Maddux have no trade clauses, and if Maddux doesn't get the necessary innings for his auto vest, that will most likely mean the Cubs have failed in the wild card attempt.

 

Do you really have any hope for the wildcard Hoops? If you do, you are far more optimistic than I am. This team should have sold role players in July since they aren't helping them win anyway. I think Greg would accept a trade to San Diego and I do think he will be exposed to waivers and will likely clear them. As was discussed elsewhere, a player with a no trade can refuse to go to a team that claims him. Trading Wood would be foolish at this point since his value has bottomed out. I think its a better risk to keep him and hope he can return to form than trade him for little value (or a bad contract).

[PackLandVA]

He's not a HOFer, but Joe Torre's done a decent job managing and was a great htter.

 

Torre was a pretty poor manager (with 2 teams) until he inherited a World Series Team, and continued managing that team with highest payroll in baseball year in and year out (by a lot). It could be debated that he has actually not been that great of a manger for the Yankees, considering what they haven't accomplished the past 4 years.

[Illini Iceman]

i am sure he would clear waivers. san diego would be ideal..petco would not give up cheap home runs. we could use the 9 mil to fill other necessary spots...especially if hill continues to show he can get it done.

 

I don't think Maddux would clear waivers. I think someone would take a shot @ him. IIRC, he has a no trade clause. If he was willing to waive his clause to go to a contender, the team that picked him up through waivers would responsible for his option year of 9 mil in 06'.

I doubt the Cubs expose him to waivers, just thought I'd throw it out there.

 

despite the strong outing today, if somebody claimed maddux, i'd definitely be inclined to let him go. the safety of 200 innings a year is nice, but if it's two hundred innings of 4.80 era, i think we can do better.

 

There has been a lot of discussion about how the Maddux contract is a big problem and how he isn't earning his money. Also, people early in the year mentioned how having Maddux under contract kept the Cubs from being able to re-sign Clement. As bad as everyone insists Maddux has been, it is interesting to me that all-star Clement now has a higher era. Just for discussion sake, would you rather have Maddux and the one year left or Clement and whatever the Red Sox have left in years and dollars to pay? I have a feeling Maddux will outperform Clement through the end of the 2006 season. 9 million is a lot for next year, but the Cubs should have no money troubles (actually probably more money to spend than there is worthwhile FA talent to spend it on) and Maddux sitting in the 4 or 5 hole of the rotation seems a lot better to me than Sergio Mitre.

[Diffusion]

Under MLB rules, Is a team allowed to expose someone to waivers with a no-trade clause?

 

A team can expose anyone they please to waivers, I'm pretty sure of that.

 

Yep, the Cubs can expose Maddux to revocable waivers. However, if someone claims him and the Cubs decide not to pull him back, Maddux has to approve the move. In other words, he can veto it if he doesn't want to go to the claimant...

[GaryWoods]

i am sure he would clear waivers. san diego would be ideal..petco would not give up cheap home runs. we could use the 9 mil to fill other necessary spots...especially if hill continues to show he can get it done.

 

I don't think Maddux would clear waivers.

 

How often does a player who is placed on waivers for the purpose of making a trade get claimed? Hardly ever. I only remember it happening once in the last 20 years or so. GMs don't usually mess with each other like that, because they never know who they might need to deal with down the road.

[bleedcubbieblue]

"There has been a lot of discussion about how the Maddux contract is a big problem and how he isn't earning his money. Also, people early in the year mentioned how having Maddux under contract kept the Cubs from being able to re-sign Clement. As bad as everyone insists Maddux has been, it is interesting to me that all-star Clement now has a higher era. Just for discussion sake, would you rather have Maddux and the one year left or Clement and whatever the Red Sox have left in years and dollars to pay? I have a feeling Maddux will outperform Clement through the end of the 2006 season. 9 million is a lot for next year, but the Cubs should have no money troubles (actually probably more money to spend than there is worthwhile FA talent to spend it on) and Maddux sitting in the 4 or 5 hole of the rotation seems a lot better to me than Sergio Mitre."

 

 

Amen, and the moaning and groaning that goes on over Maddux's contract for next season never seems to stop. I have said it before and I will say it again, the complaints made really goes back to the environment the Tribune has created that most fans buy into over fiscal responsibility. They drum it into us, so much so, that a lot of fans buy into it now. Do you honestly believe that if this was the Yanks or Red Sox, that fans would be worried or complaining over his contract next year. Maybe some, but not to the extent seen on this board. Yet, if you complain about Wood's contract, you see a fair amount of people who defend him to no end, yet for the last 2 seasons, he can't seem to stay healthy. Just boggles the mind, or at least this one, and I guess I will have others tell what is wrong with it. Trust me, the Tribune can afford Maddux's contract next year, they can also sign and trade for other players and increase payroll, but I am willing to bet what road they will take. If fans want to believe that we signed Burnitz because that was all they could afford after trading away Sosa, they can do so, but I don't. Same can be said about left field up until about a week ago. If they want to believe that we could not resign Clement because we signed Maddux last season, fine, but I think they could have, they chose not too and claimed fiscal responsibility. If anything, Wood is killing us with his salary, and being able to start 32 games over the last 2 seasons, that is killing this team, especially when considering the kind of money he is making. Then there is the Sosa contract that we are paying to have him play in Baltimore, but I am not worried about it because the Tribune can afford it, and they Tribune will cry poor over paying that money to Baltimore and it has been pointed out many times in their paper, and I guess if you read and hear something long enough, you start to believe it.

 

Overall, the Cubs have made many, many, many past free agent signings, that have come with a lot less production and returns than what Maddux is giving them right now, and a case could be made with Wood over the course of this season and last, since he signed his extension, but I am sure that people will tell me the errors of my way, in this thinking.

 

BCB

[gflore34]

If the Cubs move Wood we all know how that story will play out -

 

1. Given the uncertainty of his injury status they'll get little in return.

 

2. The team that took the "chance" in trading for Wood will be rewarded

with 30 starts/year for the next 8-10 years. Over the course of these

8-10 years Wood will win 20+ games several times and a Cy Young or two.

 

3. The player or players the Cubs received in return will be released within 2 years.

 

Call me selfish but, I'd like to see the Cubs keep Wood. I'd rather watch him struggle to maintain health and the Cubs continue to take what they can get from him in the hopes that some season they get 30 starts from him.