Mark Cuban, Cubs Owner?!?

[Jazz]

Presently, there is no problem with the ownership, actually they have been increasing the payroll exponetianlly the last couple years, did anyone forget that.

 

The problem is, at any given time the cubs look like they are going to be going through a transition, were they will have more than one losing season in a short period of time, the trib could be ready to cut payroll tremendously.

The Trib is always first about profit, unlike an entity, Cuban will press as hard as possible to make this team a a winner, hopefully if this day does come, and he does become owner (which I am doubting) Hendry and Cuban have a good relationship, very different to the one cashman and steinbrenner share.

 

We can not have an owner GM, Cuban's role would have to be one who will support every move the GM is willing to make, such as buying the required premium free agents, and not buying the guy Cuban's guy.

 

All in all, i dont think this will happen, as the Trib has no reason to sell them right now, maybe in a flop market year for them, maybe.

[Coach C]

 

Ah, I guess I was thinking differently than the rest of ya'll. My bad.

 

Carry on.

 

Well, I do see your point. But I think the responsibility of ownership is basically to provide a nice payroll, and to hire someone competent to run the baseball team.

 

Now, I can't and won't defend those signings. But I think most people would say that, overall, Hendry has done a good job running the Cubs. Others think that he hasn't, and they certainly can bring up valid points to back it up. But they have a guy, who in most baseball circles, would be considered successful.

 

So to me, that shows that the ownership isn't a problem for this team. I think they've held up their end of the deal.

 

Yeah, I understand what ya'll are talking abou the ownership. I just kept thinking that the GM position is part of the ownership, or at least a share, but I got that mixed up.

 

There's nothing I can do about the signings. However, as a fan, the majority of the signings I won't complain too much. It's just that I don't see a logical reason to keep Macias, Wilson (before he was gone), and some others. I agree that JH has done a good job running the Cubs. Believe me, it could have been worse, like the GM for the Mets that one time before he got canned (Can't remember his name, but IIRC, he hasn't gotten any offers since he got canned.)

[David]

 

Ah, I guess I was thinking differently than the rest of ya'll. My bad.

 

Carry on.

 

Well, I do see your point. But I think the responsibility of ownership is basically to provide a nice payroll, and to hire someone competent to run the baseball team.

 

Now, I can't and won't defend those signings. But I think most people would say that, overall, Hendry has done a good job running the Cubs. Others think that he hasn't, and they certainly can bring up valid points to back it up. But they have a guy, who in most baseball circles, would be considered successful.

 

So to me, that shows that the ownership isn't a problem for this team. I think they've held up their end of the deal.

 

Yeah, I understand what ya'll are talking abou the ownership. I just kept thinking that the GM position is part of the ownership, or at least a share, but I got that mixed up.

 

There's nothing I can do about the signings. However, as a fan, the majority of the signings I won't complain too much. It's just that I don't see a logical reason to keep Macias, Wilson (before he was gone), and some others. I agree that JH has done a good job running the Cubs. Believe me, it could have been worse, like the GM for the Mets that one time before he got canned (Can't remember his name, but IIRC, he hasn't gotten any offers since he got canned.)

 

I'm not sure if you're referring to Ed Lynch, former Cubs GM who, I believe, played and may have worked in the front office with the Mets, or Steve Phillips, former Mets GM. I'm guessing it's one of the two though...

 

Speaking of Ed Lynch, I remember him being retained after his firing (er, demotion, I guess) as a scout or something. Anyone know if he is still in the organization?

[Coach C]

 

Ah, I guess I was thinking differently than the rest of ya'll. My bad.

 

Carry on.

 

Well, I do see your point. But I think the responsibility of ownership is basically to provide a nice payroll, and to hire someone competent to run the baseball team.

 

Now, I can't and won't defend those signings. But I think most people would say that, overall, Hendry has done a good job running the Cubs. Others think that he hasn't, and they certainly can bring up valid points to back it up. But they have a guy, who in most baseball circles, would be considered successful.

 

So to me, that shows that the ownership isn't a problem for this team. I think they've held up their end of the deal.

 

Yeah, I understand what ya'll are talking abou the ownership. I just kept thinking that the GM position is part of the ownership, or at least a share, but I got that mixed up.

 

There's nothing I can do about the signings. However, as a fan, the majority of the signings I won't complain too much. It's just that I don't see a logical reason to keep Macias, Wilson (before he was gone), and some others. I agree that JH has done a good job running the Cubs. Believe me, it could have been worse, like the GM for the Mets that one time before he got canned (Can't remember his name, but IIRC, he hasn't gotten any offers since he got canned.)

 

I'm not sure if you're referring to Ed Lynch, former Cubs GM who, I believe, played and may have worked in the front office with the Mets, or Steve Phillips, former Mets GM. I'm guessing it's one of the two though...

 

Speaking of Ed Lynch, I remember him being retained after his firing (er, demotion, I guess) as a scout or something. Anyone know if he is still in the organization?

 

Phillips, that's the one I was trying to refer to. Thanks. :D

[Ding Dong Johnson]

 

Ah, I guess I was thinking differently than the rest of ya'll. My bad.

 

Carry on.

 

Well, I do see your point. But I think the responsibility of ownership is basically to provide a nice payroll, and to hire someone competent to run the baseball team.

 

Now, I can't and won't defend those signings. But I think most people would say that, overall, Hendry has done a good job running the Cubs. Others think that he hasn't, and they certainly can bring up valid points to back it up. But they have a guy, who in most baseball circles, would be considered successful.

 

So to me, that shows that the ownership isn't a problem for this team. I think they've held up their end of the deal.

 

Yeah, I understand what ya'll are talking abou the ownership. I just kept thinking that the GM position is part of the ownership, or at least a share, but I got that mixed up.

 

There's nothing I can do about the signings. However, as a fan, the majority of the signings I won't complain too much. It's just that I don't see a logical reason to keep Macias, Wilson (before he was gone), and some others. I agree that JH has done a good job running the Cubs. Believe me, it could have been worse, like the GM for the Mets that one time before he got canned (Can't remember his name, but IIRC, he hasn't gotten any offers since he got canned.)

 

I'm not sure if you're referring to Ed Lynch, former Cubs GM who, I believe, played and may have worked in the front office with the Mets, or Steve Phillips, former Mets GM. I'm guessing it's one of the two though...

 

Speaking of Ed Lynch, I remember him being retained after his firing (er, demotion, I guess) as a scout or something. Anyone know if he is still in the organization?

 

Yes, he's a "Special Assistant to the General Manager", whatever that means.

[erik316wttn]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure... anyone who goes out and sign a Jose Macias, that's a problem, at least in my book.

 

I'm just suprised that the ownership didn't do anything about the fact that Neifi just plainly sucks, and try to force the manager to play the young players.

 

Oh well. *shrug*

 

Not to nitpick, but we actually traded for Macias.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure... anyone who goes out and sign a Jose Macias, that's a problem, at least in my book.

 

I'm just suprised that the ownership didn't do anything about the fact that Neifi just plainly sucks, and try to force the manager to play the young players.

 

Oh well. *shrug*

 

Not to nitpick, but we actually traded for Macias.

 

And then we re-signed him this past offseason.

[Coach C]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure... anyone who goes out and sign a Jose Macias, that's a problem, at least in my book.

 

I'm just suprised that the ownership didn't do anything about the fact that Neifi just plainly sucks, and try to force the manager to play the young players.

 

Oh well. *shrug*

 

Not to nitpick, but we actually traded for Macias.

 

Oh, no, I meant this past off-season. Wasn't he an FA before we resigned him?

[Fro]

Let me just say, Mark Cuban is a *big* sports stats guy. He's had Jeff Sagarin, who does statistics for USA Today and others to create several stat models. They're basically trying to emulate the ideas behind Moneyball in a NBA setting.

 

"The information is a good reference point, but unlike 'Moneyball,' where there are definable variables that enable a team to select players wisely, there are no such variables identified yet in basketball," Cuban says. "Personally, I think it's because we don't collect the right data."

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040413-121657-1462r.htm

 

Cuban wrote an article on his blog talking about trying to develop a Moneyball-style system for the NBA

 

http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/5292100442243966/

 

I think it's safe to assume he'd be a sabermetrics owner from the article, which would result in much smarter spending than what the Tribune currently does.

Edited July 15, 2005 by Fro

[Chris]

Let me just say, Mark Cuban is a *big* sports stats guy. He's had Jeff Sagarin, who does statistics for USA Today and others create several stat models to help him use in managing the Mavs. It's basically trying to emulate the ideas behind Moneyball in MLB.

 

"The information is a good reference point, but unlike 'Moneyball,' where there are definable variables that enable a team to select players wisely, there are no such variables identified yet in basketball," Cuban says. "Personally, I think it's because we don't collect the right data."

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040413-121657-1462r.htm

 

Cuban wrote an article on his blog talking about trying to develop a Moneyball-style system for the NBA

 

http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/5292100442243966/

 

I think it's safe to assume he'd be a sabermetrics owner from the article, which would result in much smarter spending than what the Tribune currently does.

 

Welcome to the Forum!

[UK1679666180]

I think he would be a negative as far as ownership is concerned, Baseball is a whole different breed than Basketball.

 

If he increased the payroll w/out putting his hands in the cookie jar, I'd be all for it, but I can't see him having the patience to build a team for the long-haul. If he had a hand in roster composition, it would more than likely be a negative unless he got lucky, that's what scouts are for, use them.

 

But, if he understood that Baseball is won from the ground up thru scouts and instructors, then I'd welcome it.

[DivineBovine]

Let me just say, Mark Cuban is a *big* sports stats guy. He's had Jeff Sagarin, who does statistics for USA Today and others to create several stat models. They're basically trying to emulate the ideas behind Moneyball in a NBA setting.

 

"The information is a good reference point, but unlike 'Moneyball,' where there are definable variables that enable a team to select players wisely, there are no such variables identified yet in basketball," Cuban says. "Personally, I think it's because we don't collect the right data."

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20040413-121657-1462r.htm

 

Cuban wrote an article on his blog talking about trying to develop a Moneyball-style system for the NBA

 

http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/5292100442243966/

 

I think it's safe to assume he'd be a sabermetrics owner from the article, which would result in much smarter spending than what the Tribune currently does.

 

 

Welcome to the Forum. Very nice post.

 

What did Cuban do to make himself George Steinbrenner? There is only one George Steinbrenner, and only one franchise like the Yanks.

 

It's just not fair to judge the man because he acts a little crazy behind his bench.

 

I'd love to see him buy the Cubs.