Could This Deal With Texas Make Sense?

[HoopsCubs]

Cubs trade Corey Patterson, Todd Walker, Glendon Rusch and Sergio Mitre to Texas for David Dellucci, Alfonso Soriano and Kameron Loe.

 

Cubs lineup:

 

LF Dellucci

CF Hairston

1B Lee

RF Burnitz

3B Ramirez

2B Soriano

C Barrett

SS Cedeno

 

 

Feedback? Not good for us? Not good for Texas? Unrealistic?

[USSoccer]

Cubs trade Corey Patterson, Todd Walker, Glendon Rusch and Sergio Mitre to Texas for David Dellucci, Alfonso Soriano and Kameron Loe.

 

Cubs lineup:

 

LF Dellucci

CF Hairston

1B Lee

RF Burnitz

3B Ramirez

2B Soriano

C Barrett

SS Cedeno

 

 

Feedback? Not good for us? Not good for Texas? Unrealistic?

 

I might be one of the few here that wouldn't mind that trade, as it does make us better. Walker might be better than Alfie, , but does Soriano+ Delucci+Hairston make us better than Patterson+ Hollandsworth+Walker? I think it does. I think it makes us faster and a more productive offensive club.

 

Is it fair for Texas? Probably. They give up a guy they want to give up anyway in Soriano and a spare OF in Delucci, and get 2 immediate rotation arms in return. They might ask for Wellemeyer instead of Rusch, and I might still be inclined to do it.

 

Is it fair for us? I think so. Sergio isn't a reliever and is being wasted at the ML level. I could see Hendry balking at giving up 2 or his 3 5th starter candidates, b/c if we get another injury it's back to Koronka unless Hendry gives Hill the nod. But I see it as ultimately fair.

 

So yeah, I'm for that trade!

[Jazz]

I could go for this deal, but I dont like trading Walker, even if Soriano is posting better power numbers, we dont need another middle of the lineup hitter in Alfonso.

[rocket]

I don't know, I'm pretty suspicious of someone who, at age 31, out of nowhere starts posting abnormal numbers. Delluci has posted substandard numbers the past few seasons for a corner outfielder. I think Dellucci is having a fluke season, and I don't want any part of him or his steep 2nd half decline (which is very possible). A good thing about Dellucci is that he is posting better numbers away from Arlington than he is at Arlington. But I'm still not sold on him, and I don't think CPatt posting better 2nd half numbers than Dellucci is entirely out of the question.

 

Soriano...no thanks. All he does is worsen our OBP problem. And his numbers away from Arlington this season and last are frighteningly horrific.

 

No thanks is what I say.

[erik316wttn]

No thanks. I have no problem trading the other guys, but not Walker.

 

Is this just you speculating, or is this like the famous "Is Choi for Lee on anybody's radar" thread?

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Well alot of Delluci's value comes in his OBP. He got those contacts (the one Brian Roberts uses), and says he's seeing the ball better than ever.

 

I'd love that .419 OBP at the top of the lineup.

[RynoRules]

Hoops - I know you are The Man and we all respect the heck out of your sources, but why would TX do that deal? I mean, if I am JH, I do it w/out a second thought, but isn't Soriano alone worth more than two middling, unproven pitchers and one underachieving OF (and Walker)?

[muntjack]

In my mind this deal further compounds the problem we have. Soriano is Corey with higher slugging%, and without the value of defense at a premium position. (and 4 years older)

 

Delluci IS an upgrade over Hollandsworth, career year or not. (He would still need to be in a platoon, as he is atrocious vs. lefties.)

 

Unfortunately the deal also weakens the pen, which is the deciding factor in my mind.

 

The best thing about this trade is Hairston gets in the lineup, which we shouldn't have to make a deal to achieve.

[HoopsCubs]

No thanks. I have no problem trading the other guys, but not Walker.

 

Is this just you speculating, or is this like the famous "Is Choi for Lee on anybody's radar" thread?

 

90% speculation, 10% insight. We definitely need OBP at the top and possibly some more SLG in the middle, and the Rangers need starting pitching and want to dump Soriano because they can't afford him at his 6th year of service figure next year. Nowhere near the certainty I had regarding the Choi for Lee deal - I knew about that deal the night before it happened - but I do know that Hendry is shopping Corey like there is no tomorrow despite what he may say in the press. Having thought about it some more and reading some of the comments here, the Cubs may need to add an additional good pitching prospect to make a deal like this work.

[HoopsCubs]

Hoops - I know you are The Man and we all respect the heck out of your sources, but why would TX do that deal? I mean, if I am JH, I do it w/out a second thought, but isn't Soriano alone worth more than two middling, unproven pitchers and one underachieving OF (and Walker)?

 

I wish I was "The Man," but I thank you for your compliment anyway.

I think Texas wants to dump Soriano for young talent - they can't afford him next year, his 6th year of service, where he could earn $10M. But to your point, it may take more to get him.

[RynoRules]

Hoops - I know you are The Man and we all respect the heck out of your sources, but why would TX do that deal? I mean, if I am JH, I do it w/out a second thought, but isn't Soriano alone worth more than two middling, unproven pitchers and one underachieving OF (and Walker)?

 

I wish I was "The Man," but I thank you for your compliment anyway.

I think Texas wants to dump Soriano for young talent - they can't afford him next year, his 6th year of service, where he could earn $10M. But to your point, it may take more to get him.

 

I would guess that if you added Rich Hill to the deal, it gets done. I like Soriano, but I wonder whether a streak hitter is what we need. I mean his OBP is so poor. But his slugging is good. Its a tough call.

 

That said, after what we have seen over the last two weeks, may be its worth it. :-k

[Roast]

Hmm, interesting deal. Not sure if i'd do it, but interesting.

 

So, hoops, he is shopping Cpatt. Do you have any idea what teams may or may not be biting on these offers?

[erik316wttn]

Hmm, interesting deal. Not sure if i'd do it, but interesting.

 

So, hoops, he is shopping Cpatt. Do you have any idea what teams may or may not be biting on these offers?

 

And if he still has any value, and if Hendry is inquiring more about dealing Patterson individually, or part of a package?

[Backtobanks]

I'm about ready to really shake things up on this Cub team. I know it won't happen, but how about Wood (I know, no-trade contract) and Patterson for Mench plus some other player(s). I love Wood and all of the stuff he brings to the table, but I'm starting to think that he'll never get over the hump and be the 20-game winning dominant pitcher that everyone thinks he should be.

[Iceblink]

I'll ask you to put yourselves in the shoes of the other team.

 

Say the Cubs are offered a trade:

 

We'll give you a young OF batting .230 with a .650 OPS, a 32 year old second baseman with an ok bat who's decent with the glove but has little range, a fairly effective 30 year old swingman lefty, and a 24 year old righty who's been very up and down, but has some promise.

 

And from the Cubs, you have to give up:

A 31 year old OF with a .950 OPS, a 29 year old 2B with 20 homers and a .845 OPS (despite never walking), and a 23 year old reliever who's been effective - and pretend that's one of the few effective young arms the Cubs have.

 

Now do you do the trade? Texas would have to be desperate to part with Soriano and Dellucci to consider it.

 

You don't get to subtract the excess parts from your team and trade them for all stars level players unless the other team is salary dumping or Pittsburgh.

 

If we wanted to pry just Soriano & Dellucci from Texas, it would probably take 2 of our top pitching prospects - probably in addition to Mitre and one other major leaguer. I don't think they'd want Rusch, and Patterson's value (though he's still my favorite player) has never been lower.

[HoopsCubs]

Hmm, interesting deal. Not sure if i'd do it, but interesting.

 

So, hoops, he is shopping Cpatt. Do you have any idea what teams may or may not be biting on these offers?

 

Roast and Erik,

 

I have no idea on what teams Hendry is in discussions with regarding Patterson, but one of my sources did indicate that Corey was being discussed as a package with pitching. Can't shed any light beyond this.

 

Hoops

[CubfaninCA]

Get a 3rd team in there like Seattle, who can throw another pitcher in like Jamie Moyer for Cub prospects, and the deal looks pretty good for all parties. Soriano's .869 ops batting 5th for TX looks pretty good in the Cubs 5th spot. He should put quite a few runs across the plate.

[Roast]

Hmm, interesting deal. Not sure if i'd do it, but interesting.

 

So, hoops, he is shopping Cpatt. Do you have any idea what teams may or may not be biting on these offers?

 

Roast and Erik,

 

I have no idea on what teams Hendry is in discussions with regarding Patterson, but one of my sources did indicate that Corey was being discussed as a package with pitching. Can't shed any light beyond this.

 

Hoops

 

Hmm, thanks.

 

No real surprise there, IMO. A patterson + welly/Mitre/leicester package sounds perfectly feasable.

[HoopsCubs]

Get a 3rd team in there like Seattle, who can throw another pitcher in like Jamie Moyer for Cub prospects, and the deal looks pretty good for all parties. Soriano's .869 ops batting 5th for TX looks pretty good in the Cubs 5th spot. He should put quite a few runs across the plate.

 

Very good idea! And since we know Hendry is capable of architecting a 4-way deal, well then, a 3-way deal should be as easy as falling off a log.

 

:wink:

[CubfaninCA]

Get a 3rd team in there like Seattle, who can throw another pitcher in like Jamie Moyer for Cub prospects, and the deal looks pretty good for all parties. Soriano's .869 ops batting 5th for TX looks pretty good in the Cubs 5th spot. He should put quite a few runs across the plate.

 

Very good idea! And since we know Hendry is capable of architecting a 4-way deal, well then, a 3-way deal should be as easy as falling off a log.

 

:wink:

I have a feeling he does something similar to the Nomar trade. I'd like to see the Cubs facilitate the Schmidt trade. Seems they could help SF w/ their lack of pitching depth.

[erik316wttn]

Hmm, interesting deal. Not sure if i'd do it, but interesting.

 

So, hoops, he is shopping Cpatt. Do you have any idea what teams may or may not be biting on these offers?

 

Roast and Erik,

 

I have no idea on what teams Hendry is in discussions with regarding Patterson, but one of my sources did indicate that Corey was being discussed as a package with pitching. Can't shed any light beyond this.

 

Hoops

 

No sweat. Thanks for the info, though. It'll be interesting to see if anyone bites and what we get for Corey if he does get traded.

[swordsman]

Get a 3rd team in there like Seattle, who can throw another pitcher in like Jamie Moyer for Cub prospects, and the deal looks pretty good for all parties. Soriano's .869 ops batting 5th for TX looks pretty good in the Cubs 5th spot. He should put quite a few runs across the plate.

 

Very good idea! And since we know Hendry is capable of architecting a 4-way deal, well then, a 3-way deal should be as easy as falling off a log.

 

:wink:

 

"architecting"?

 

:?

 

 

 

 

 

The funny thing is, I can't think of an alternative.

[AI]

Get a 3rd team in there like Seattle, who can throw another pitcher in like Jamie Moyer for Cub prospects, and the deal looks pretty good for all parties. Soriano's .869 ops batting 5th for TX looks pretty good in the Cubs 5th spot. He should put quite a few runs across the plate.

 

Very good idea! And since we know Hendry is capable of architecting a 4-way deal, well then, a 3-way deal should be as easy as falling off a log.

 

:wink:

 

"architecting"?

 

:?

 

 

 

 

 

The funny thing is, I can't think of an alternative.

 

engineering, perhaps?

[HoopsCubs]

Get a 3rd team in there like Seattle, who can throw another pitcher in like Jamie Moyer for Cub prospects, and the deal looks pretty good for all parties. Soriano's .869 ops batting 5th for TX looks pretty good in the Cubs 5th spot. He should put quite a few runs across the plate.

 

Very good idea! And since we know Hendry is capable of architecting a 4-way deal, well then, a 3-way deal should be as easy as falling off a log.

 

:wink:

 

"architecting"?

 

:?

 

 

 

 

 

The funny thing is, I can't think of an alternative.

 

engineering, perhaps?

 

"putting together"

[HoopsCubs]

Hmm, interesting deal. Not sure if i'd do it, but interesting.

 

So, hoops, he is shopping Cpatt. Do you have any idea what teams may or may not be biting on these offers?

 

Roast and Erik,

 

I have no idea on what teams Hendry is in discussions with regarding Patterson, but one of my sources did indicate that Corey was being discussed as a package with pitching. Can't shed any light beyond this.

 

Hoops

 

No sweat. Thanks for the info, though. It'll be interesting to see if anyone bites and what we get for Corey if he does get traded.

 

In a pure scenery change for scenery change deal, could you see Patterson being dealt to San Diego for Sean Burroughs?