Is Burnitz more productive than Podsednik?

[JonnyRed]

There is a Podsednik lovefest going on right now in Chicago. Everything thinks he is the catalyst to the Sox success. Granted, he has certainly been better than expected, but what do you make of this stat?

 

Our own Jeromy Burnitz has scored more runs that Podsednik, 46-43. So, really, what have all the stolen bases lead to?

[ManEatingTarp]

Pods embodies what the Sox are about. He and the pitching staff have been the MVPs of that team.

 

Burnitz has had a nice year btw.

[ZZ Thorn]

I'd trade Scott Poddy for Burnitz in two seconds. He's exactly the kind of player that's nearly every team needs, especially us. There's dozens of Burnitzes, there's very few players like Poddy.

 

There is a HUGE lovefest for this guy in Chicago, but he's pretty deserving of it. Can he slug his way out of a paper bag, no, but he makes up for it in spades with his baserunning. He also plays phonomenal defense and that's another reason why the Sox are doing so well - is there a better defensive OF in baseball?

 

If we had a guy like Poddy we'd be right there with the Cards. Until we get a Poddyesque player I don't know if this lineup has the goods to go all the way.

 

I was a big fan of this trade when it went down, and even tho Lee is leading the NL in RBIs the Sox still came out on top (so far) in my book.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

He also plays phonomenal defense and that's another reason why the Sox are doing so well - is there a better defensive OF in baseball?

Really? I was listening to the radio yesterday and they were talking about how he was pretty underwhelming on defense and how he gets really bad jumps on balls. I don’t watch the White Sox so I really can’t say but that’s what I heard.

[dime]

posednik can't hit good pitchers, so his value is more than a bit overstated. unless you walk him he's unable to hurt you, and 90% of his steals are just stat-stuffing. he did that all the time with the brewers, it was kind of embarassing to watch him go for 2nd base down by 4 runs in the 8th inning.

 

posednik will always be a fan favorite, and he will always be overrated. I'd much rather have burnitz, though.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I was listening to that too. And I've heard it a few times now. He has the worst outfield instincts in the AL was what some guys were saying. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can have worse instincts than Manny Ramirez, but he really gets lost out there sometimes. Luckily his speed can make up for bad jumps.

 

I like Podsednik. A guy who can create runs is hard to find. He makes pitchers and catchers nervous when he's on first because they know it's just a matter of time before he's gone. He's a good leadoff guy, and the only leadoff guys I'd rather have right now are Ichiro and Johnny Damon.

 

As for him being better than Burnitz, you're comparing apples and oranges. They are two different types of players. Podsednik's job is to get into scoring position. Burnitz's job is to drive in runs.

[ZZ Thorn]

He also plays phonomenal defense and that's another reason why the Sox are doing so well - is there a better defensive OF in baseball?

Really? I was listening to the radio yesterday and they were talking about how he was pretty underwhelming on defense and how he gets really bad jumps on balls. I don’t watch the White Sox so I really can’t say but that’s what I heard.

 

I haven't heard that, but he was a very good CFer with the Brewers and now he's in LF, so that must require an adjustment.

 

One thing I've heard 3 times a day about Poddy on the radio (and I listen to maybe 5 minutes of Chicago sports talk radio a day, to give you an idea of the Pod lovefest around here) is that his mere presence on the basepaths shakes up the pitcher and distracts him. That must be true in a large part - the guy is one of the top basestealers in the league.

 

Even if he does 'pad' his SB stats, he's above an 80% success rate for his career. He doesn't K much, he gets plenty of walks - he's a great leadoff hitter. He's exactly what we need.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

He also plays phonomenal defense and that's another reason why the Sox are doing so well - is there a better defensive OF in baseball?

Really? I was listening to the radio yesterday and they were talking about how he was pretty underwhelming on defense and how he gets really bad jumps on balls. I don’t watch the White Sox so I really can’t say but that’s what I heard.

 

I haven't heard that, but he was a very good CFer with the Brewers and now he's in LF, so that must require an adjustment.

 

One thing I've heard 3 times a day about Poddy on the radio (and I listen to maybe 5 minutes of Chicago sports talk radio a day, to give you an idea of the Pod lovefest around here) is that his mere presence on the basepaths shakes up the pitcher and distracts him. That must be true in a large part - the guy is one of the top basestealers in the league.

 

Even if he does 'pad' his SB stats, he's above an 80% success rate for his career. He doesn't K much, he gets plenty of walks - he's a great leadoff hitter. He's exactly what we need.

 

Why not pad your SB stats? If you can steal a bag almost anytime you want, there is no real reason not to. I don't like the double standard. If you're up by ten runs and you steal second, people get mad for trying to run up the score. But if you're up by ten and someone hits a HR, it's a different story.

[ZZ Thorn]

I was listening to that too. And I've heard it a few times now. He has the worst outfield instincts in the AL was what some guys were saying. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can have worse instincts than Manny Ramirez, but he really gets lost out there sometimes. Luckily his speed can make up for bad jumps.

 

There are so many big mook OFs with the instincts of a cow that sounds like talk radio bs to me. Here's what ESPN says about his D:

 

"Speed is Podsednik's game-he's among the fastest guys in baseball. He's a reliable, and sometimes spectacular, center fielder, covering the considerable gap between Jenkins in left and the team's 2004 right-field combo of Brady Clark and Ben Grieve. Podsednik also throws well."

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I was listening to that too. And I've heard it a few times now. He has the worst outfield instincts in the AL was what some guys were saying. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can have worse instincts than Manny Ramirez, but he really gets lost out there sometimes. Luckily his speed can make up for bad jumps.

 

There are so many big mook OFs with the instincts of a cow that sounds like talk radio bs to me. Here's what ESPN says about his D:

 

"Speed is Podsednik's game-he's among the fastest guys in baseball. He's a reliable, and sometimes spectacular, center fielder, covering the considerable gap between Jenkins in left and the team's 2004 right-field combo of Brady Clark and Ben Grieve. Podsednik also throws well."

 

Well, you might be right. I've personally never really gotten a chance to see him enough out there to judge. He's on the Sox. :twisted: Just going by what I've heard and read.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I was listening to that too. And I've heard it a few times now. He has the worst outfield instincts in the AL was what some guys were saying. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can have worse instincts than Manny Ramirez, but he really gets lost out there sometimes. Luckily his speed can make up for bad jumps.

 

There are so many big mook OFs with the instincts of a cow that sounds like talk radio bs to me. Here's what ESPN says about his D:

 

"Speed is Podsednik's game-he's among the fastest guys in baseball. He's a reliable, and sometimes spectacular, center fielder, covering the considerable gap between Jenkins in left and the team's 2004 right-field combo of Brady Clark and Ben Grieve. Podsednik also throws well."

It also says this in the scouting report: Plays A Deep Center Field And Is Only Average Out There; Does Not Read Balls As Well As When He Is In Rf

[Mark_R]

I was listening to that too. And I've heard it a few times now. He has the worst outfield instincts in the AL was what some guys were saying. Frankly, I don't know how anyone can have worse instincts than Manny Ramirez, but he really gets lost out there sometimes. Luckily his speed can make up for bad jumps.

 

There are so many big mook OFs with the instincts of a cow that sounds like talk radio bs to me. Here's what ESPN says about his D:

 

"Speed is Podsednik's game-he's among the fastest guys in baseball. He's a reliable, and sometimes spectacular, center fielder, covering the considerable gap between Jenkins in left and the team's 2004 right-field combo of Brady Clark and Ben Grieve. Podsednik also throws well."

It also says this in the scouting report: Plays A Deep Center Field And Is Only Average Out There; Does Not Read Balls As Well As When He Is In Rf

 

The only thing is that his speed can REAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLY make up for some bad jumps out there. He does get to a lot of balls anytime I see him.

[JonnyRed]

I actually think he has defined the new Sox and led to their success, but my initial point is that all of that speed and SBs haven't translated to producing runs, have they? No one whould think JB is a huge run producer, yet he's better than Podsednik

[imb]

He's only average in leftfield. His speed covers up his bad routes, a la Corey Patterson.