The Importance of Persistence

[Guest]

In recent days/weeks there seems to have been a rash of Corey-bashing on the forums. While some of the criticisms remain valid, it has become popular of late to complain about our young CF’s apparent lack of ability to hit with runners in scoring position or in otherwise clutch situations. Now many people who know a thing or two about baseball (not to mention those like myself who think they know a thing or two) would immediately dismiss such concerns as irrelevant. Studies such as Richard Cramer’s pioneering work on the matter seem to prove that there is no persistent ability to do well in those situations.

 

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[Tim]

Matt wrote this back in June just before I did my move and I let it slip through the cracks and haven't gotten it posted until now. It's a very interesting article, though, and deserves to be seen!

[Jon]

Very nicely done. Thanks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Great work as always BK. Kudos.

[mhuber92211]

Matt wrote this back in June just before I did my move and I let it slip through the cracks and haven't gotten it posted until now. It's a very interesting article, though, and deserves to be seen!

 

Your Move?!? I never even noticed that you left our left coast, even though I know it was happening. Goes to show how quickly this summer has gone. How's the new place?

[Tim]

Matt wrote this back in June just before I did my move and I let it slip through the cracks and haven't gotten it posted until now. It's a very interesting article, though, and deserves to be seen!

 

Your Move?!? I never even noticed that you left our left coast, even though I know it was happening. Goes to show how quickly this summer has gone. How's the new place?

New place is great and I'm thrilled to be back in Chicago! Heading to my first Cubs games @ Wrigley in years this weekend. I wish I could say that the game would be more meaningful, but at least I'll be there. :D

[sandberg23]

Matt wrote this back in June just before I did my move and I let it slip through the cracks and haven't gotten it posted until now. It's a very interesting article, though, and deserves to be seen!

 

Your Move?!? I never even noticed that you left our left coast, even though I know it was happening. Goes to show how quickly this summer has gone. How's the new place?

New place is great and I'm thrilled to be back in Chicago! Heading to my first Cubs games @ Wrigley in years this weekend. I wish I could say that the game would be more meaningful, but at least I'll be there. :D

 

Enjoy the game. Congrats on the move. Why did your family decide to move? Have your kids lived anywhere other than California?

[Chocolate Milk]

I think that when you are .229/.266/.373/.639 it's likely that you aren't having success in many situations.

[Guest]

I think that when you are .229/.266/.373/.639 it's likely that you aren't having success in many situations.

Yeah. Corey was bad when I wrote that piece and has only gotten worse since. It's fine to criticize our young CF, but I think it's important to criticize him for the right reasons. (At the time there were a few posters whose main complaint against Corey was his lack of success with runners in scoring position. I think at least a couple of those individuals are no longer with us, however.)

[Tim]

Matt wrote this back in June just before I did my move and I let it slip through the cracks and haven't gotten it posted until now. It's a very interesting article, though, and deserves to be seen!

 

Your Move?!? I never even noticed that you left our left coast, even though I know it was happening. Goes to show how quickly this summer has gone. How's the new place?

New place is great and I'm thrilled to be back in Chicago! Heading to my first Cubs games @ Wrigley in years this weekend. I wish I could say that the game would be more meaningful, but at least I'll be there. :D

 

Enjoy the game. Congrats on the move. Why did your family decide to move? Have your kids lived anywhere other than California?

I took a job here in Chicago, so the family moved out here with me. We've been in California for six years, but my 10 year old daughter has seen several moves (most of which she doesn't remember). She was born a Hoosier, spent a few months there, then around 10 months in IL, then three years in TX, then Cali, now back to IL. My 8 year old boy was born in Dallas.

 

It's safe to say that as the one paying the bills, I'm happiest to leave California!

[louisvillecub]

I took a job here in Chicago, so the family moved out here with me. We've been in California for six years, but my 10 year old daughter has seen several moves (most of which she doesn't remember). She was born a Hoosier, spent a few months there, then around 10 months in IL, then three years in TX, then Cali, now back to IL. My 8 year old boy was born in Dallas.

 

It's safe to say that as the one paying the bills, I'm happiest to leave California!

 

Naperthrill! My hometown...hope you enjoy it. My folks just moved out of our 40 year home into a smaller place a short distance from the old place. Hope you enjoy the town! I'll send vibes to you over Labor day weekend when I visit them!

[Careless]

So how did they factor out the clutchness of pitching to get these numbers? find the few cases of hitters with many clutch situations against specific pitchers? that's an enormous potential source of static if clutchness exists in pitchers. If your clutch situations come up against clutch pitchers, you'll be average at best, if unclutch pitchers you'll be average at worst, and if clutchness doesn't exist for either...

Anyway, the Cramer study doesn't even touch that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So how did they factor out the clutchness of pitching to get these numbers? find the few cases of hitters with many clutch situations against specific pitchers? that's an enormous potential source of static if clutchness exists in pitchers. If your clutch situations come up against clutch pitchers, you'll be average at best, if unclutch pitchers you'll be average at worst, and if clutchness doesn't exist for either...

Anyway, the Cramer study doesn't even touch that.

 

That'd be difficult to separate, you'd have to decipher between fatigue and lack of clutch in starting pitchers, and inability and lack of clutch in relievers who are always in those situations.

[Careless]

So how did they factor out the clutchness of pitching to get these numbers? find the few cases of hitters with many clutch situations against specific pitchers? that's an enormous potential source of static if clutchness exists in pitchers. If your clutch situations come up against clutch pitchers, you'll be average at best, if unclutch pitchers you'll be average at worst, and if clutchness doesn't exist for either...

Anyway, the Cramer study doesn't even touch that.

 

That'd be difficult to separate, you'd have to decipher between fatigue and lack of clutch in starting pitchers, and inability and lack of clutch in relievers who are always in those situations.

Yes, extremely difficult.