Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

MeatampPotatoesMan · July 22, 2005

anyone blaming baker for losing this game, i hope not, if a manager has a bullpen like he has he can only pray that someone will get someone out. it makes no difference who he uses it is sa crapshoot and one dusty will probably lose. most of the time one is as bad as the other. if people think a manager can win with a bullpen like that they are dellusional. last nite mitre comes in first pitch, home run. today wuertz l inning, home run etc etc. blame baker if you like but better put the blame where it belongs on the gm.

I couldn't believe my eyes when Maddux swung away into the DP in the fifth. Why not try a squeeze, or at least show bunt there? Anything to put pressure on the defense. One poor Cub fan in my section upon seeing Baker's complete lack of creativity jumped up, did a dance and slapped his head. He was an older gent presumably fed up with spending his waning days watching Dusty ruin the lives of several million Cub fans.

Why pull Maddux in the sixth? The weather was unbearable, but Maddux hadn't pushed himself much, and he had a relatively low pitch count. The pen needs work, sure, but if that's true why go there when we didn't have to?

Starting the eighth with Novoa and no one stirring in the pen was an unbelieveably optimistic choice. The kid did well to get out of the seventh ... why push it?

Walking Griffey in the eighth was stupid. Kearns has been hitting well at Louisville, was salivating at the chance to contribute and has been a Cub killer since coming up. Everyone in the park saw his hit coming ... I make Griffey beat me.

Not to mention the fact that had we gone into extras we'd have done so with a lineup double-switched into oblivion with Neifi and Macias up to their old tricks.

Baker's prints were all over Wednesday's loss as well. The criminal misuse of the pen has been covered, but there's no way Harang goes nine if this club had any notion of how to work a pitcher. Baker tells the guys to go up there a hackin', and by God that's what they did ... all freaking night, even when Harang was on the ropes late.

Dusty is an idiot.

Maddux was about to bonk. He started "seeing little white things." When you are working hard in the heat like that with no energy, your vision is one of the first things to go. Eventually you go from white spots to a blurry white haze...then it gets worse. maddux was done. it also explains why he swung at some of those pitches...one was 3 feet off the plate up and away. freaking cincinatti weather. :x

other than that, i don't disagree with anything you said. dusty is a baffoon.

halplm · July 22, 2005

anyone blaming baker for losing this game, i hope not, if a manager has a bullpen like he has he can only pray that someone will get someone out. it makes no difference who he uses it is sa crapshoot and one dusty will probably lose. most of the time one is as bad as the other. if people think a manager can win with a bullpen like that they are dellusional. last nite mitre comes in first pitch, home run. today wuertz l inning, home run etc etc. blame baker if you like but better put the blame where it belongs on the gm.

I couldn't believe my eyes when Maddux swung away into the DP in the fifth. Why not try a squeeze, or at least show bunt there? Anything to put pressure on the defense. One poor Cub fan in my section upon seeing Baker's complete lack of creativity jumped up, did a dance and slapped his head. He was an older gent presumably fed up with spending his waning days watching Dusty ruin the lives of several million Cub fans.

Why pull Maddux in the sixth? The weather was unbearable, but Maddux hadn't pushed himself much, and he had a relatively low pitch count. The pen needs work, sure, but if that's true why go there when we didn't have to?

Starting the eighth with Novoa and no one stirring in the pen was an unbelieveably optimistic choice. The kid did well to get out of the seventh ... why push it?

Walking Griffey in the eighth was stupid. Kearns has been hitting well at Louisville, was salivating at the chance to contribute and has been a Cub killer since coming up. Everyone in the park saw his hit coming ... I make Griffey beat me.

Not to mention the fact that had we gone into extras we'd have done so with a lineup double-switched into oblivion with Neifi and Macias up to their old tricks.

Baker's prints were all over Wednesday's loss as well. The criminal misuse of the pen has been covered, but there's no way Harang goes nine if this club had any notion of how to work a pitcher. Baker tells the guys to go up there a hackin', and by God that's what they did ... all freaking night, even when Harang was on the ropes late.

Dusty is an idiot.

Just a comment on walking Griffey. You do have to remember how great Griffey was 10 years ago. Kearns is a youngun. Don't you know how much better veterans are than rookies? You have to take the bat out of Griffey's hands, I mean, he used to be just so unbelievable. And Kearns has only been around what, 3 years? He will obviously cave under the pressure.

You have to learn to think like Dusty, and then all these type of things make sense. I mean, Neifi got a Gold Glove 5 years ago. He's obviously our best choice now.

JC · July 22, 2005

I don't mind Dusty intentionally walking Griffey to get to Kearns. While I don't live and die with righty/lefty matchups, I'd rather see Dempster face a righty. Plus, the walk allows for forces at any base.

The problem was Dempster not making enough good pitches. (Or, while I didn't see it, Neifi not being able to field his position.)

Coach C · July 23, 2005

Top of 11th, Ray King comes in. Dusty decides to leave Hollansowrth in. Then Reyes comes in with 2 outs, runner on first, and what does Dusty do? Bring in Murton to face the righty. I'm sorry, but that's just dumb logic. I would have liked to see Murton bat for Hollansworth to make it a LHP v. RHB match-up.

Quit while you can Dusty. That would deftinaly save alot of trouble.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 23, 2005

Not bringing in your best reliever in an extra innings road game is inexcusable.

hardcorecubfan · July 23, 2005

can't believe I am agreeing with Bob but, What about a bunt from Walker?

doesn't dusty have the Huevos?

Walker was sucking up a storm , mix things around get the defense off gaurd.

Frustration sets in

Coach C · July 23, 2005

Not bringing in your best reliever in an extra innings road game is inexcusable.

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I understand that Tim and the rest of you guys like to keep the board clean, and I'm going to respect that.

It's just really frusterates me that we just can't say certain words, that is all. But I understand that they're trying to keep it clean, and I will respect that.

Gosh, we have the, hands-down, terrible in-game strategy manager in baseball, period. Dusty really likes to make me http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/SwedeCarlson/Smilies/blowup.gif Gosh, I can deftinaly feel my blood pressure raising the roof.

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USSoccer · July 23, 2005

Not bringing in your best reliever in an extra innings road game is inexcusable.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/SwedeCarlson/Smilies/yeahthat.gif

I understand that Tim and the rest of you guys like to keep the board clean, and I'm going to respect that.

It's just really frusterates me that we just can't say certain words, that is all. But I understand that they're trying to keep it clean, and I will respect that.

Gosh, we have the, hands-down, terrible in-game strategy manager in baseball, period. Dusty really likes to make me http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v39/SwedeCarlson/Smilies/blowup.gif Gosh, I can deftinaly feel my blood pressure raising the roof.

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As I believe Will Carroll put it once in a sysnopsis of Game 7, NLCS, "You dont' put your 6th best pitcher in when the game is on the line".

Dusty got lucky when Rusch didn't blow the game. He pressed his luck with Mitre, and a bad bounce and a good bunt later, game over.

I'm concerned about a meltdown in the clubhouse. Aramis was ripping Hollandsworth in the dugout after the game, Lee threw a glove, Perez threw a bat, and everyone just looked like they just crapped the bed.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

USSoccer · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I was hoping to see Bruce lurking since maybe he would have caught something of it and told us, but I haven't seen anything yet.

From the replay on my dvr, it looked as if Aram was ticked about where Hollandsworth threw the ball on Mabry's 3B. It seemed as if Aramis was gesturing to Todd that he should have thrown to the cutoff man or in any case a different direction. Holla tried to walk away and Aramis grabbed his arm (lightly, to be sure) and started back in on him. After that Perez whipped a bat and WGN cut to commercial.

Maybe the heat got to them; maybe the emotions of blowing a game that was completely winnable did. But either way, it's something to watch for.

frostwyrm · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

Everyone should be upset with Hollandsworth. He's a starting left fielder with a utility infielder's numbers.

USSoccer · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

Everyone should be upset with Hollandsworth. He's a starting left fielder with a utility infielder's numbers.

He took an absolute crap route to the ball Mabry hit, which all but guaranteed a triple, since his route made the bounce that ball took off the wall much, much worse.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I was hoping to see Bruce lurking since maybe he would have caught something of it and told us, but I haven't seen anything yet.

From the replay on my dvr, it looked as if Aram was ticked about where Hollandsworth threw the ball on Mabry's 3B. It seemed as if Aramis was gesturing to Todd that he should have thrown to the cutoff man or in any case a different direction. Holla tried to walk away and Aramis grabbed his arm (lightly, to be sure) and started back in on him. After that Perez whipped a bat and WGN cut to commercial.

Maybe the heat got to them; maybe the emotions of blowing a game that was completely winnable did. But either way, it's something to watch for.

I didn't see where Perez was on the throw, it trickled in to Walker as Mabry got to 3rd. I hope that the C word is avoided in relation to this loss on the whole.

USSoccer · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I was hoping to see Bruce lurking since maybe he would have caught something of it and told us, but I haven't seen anything yet.

From the replay on my dvr, it looked as if Aram was ticked about where Hollandsworth threw the ball on Mabry's 3B. It seemed as if Aramis was gesturing to Todd that he should have thrown to the cutoff man or in any case a different direction. Holla tried to walk away and Aramis grabbed his arm (lightly, to be sure) and started back in on him. After that Perez whipped a bat and WGN cut to commercial.

Maybe the heat got to them; maybe the emotions of blowing a game that was completely winnable did. But either way, it's something to watch for.

I didn't see where Perez was on the throw, it trickled in to Walker as Mabry got to 3rd. I hope that the C word is avoided in relation to this loss on the whole.

C word?

BTW, Perez was in short left field, I think. Hollandsworth tried to throw it directly to 3B.

AAApittsburgh · July 23, 2005

C word?

Cancer?

vance_the_cubs_fan · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I couldn't see into the Cubs dugout, but Hollandsworth misplayed that ball badly and it was obvious to everyone in the ballpark. There's no way that should have been a triple.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 23, 2005

C word?

BTW, Perez was in short left field, I think. Hollandsworth tried to throw it directly to 3B.

High School science

USSoccer · July 23, 2005

C word?

BTW, Perez was in short left field, I think. Hollandsworth tried to throw it directly to 3B.

High School science

Ah. Gotcha.

Coach C · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I was hoping to see Bruce lurking since maybe he would have caught something of it and told us, but I haven't seen anything yet.

From the replay on my dvr, it looked as if Aram was ticked about where Hollandsworth threw the ball on Mabry's 3B. It seemed as if Aramis was gesturing to Todd that he should have thrown to the cutoff man or in any case a different direction. Holla tried to walk away and Aramis grabbed his arm (lightly, to be sure) and started back in on him. After that Perez whipped a bat and WGN cut to commercial.

Maybe the heat got to them; maybe the emotions of blowing a game that was completely winnable did. But either way, it's something to watch for.

Interesting.

While I can understand Aramis' reaction to Todd, someone should remind Aramis that maybe a little more hustling wouldn't hurt either.

USSoccer · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I was hoping to see Bruce lurking since maybe he would have caught something of it and told us, but I haven't seen anything yet.

From the replay on my dvr, it looked as if Aram was ticked about where Hollandsworth threw the ball on Mabry's 3B. It seemed as if Aramis was gesturing to Todd that he should have thrown to the cutoff man or in any case a different direction. Holla tried to walk away and Aramis grabbed his arm (lightly, to be sure) and started back in on him. After that Perez whipped a bat and WGN cut to commercial.

Maybe the heat got to them; maybe the emotions of blowing a game that was completely winnable did. But either way, it's something to watch for.

Interesting.

While I can understand Aramis' reaction to Todd, someone should remind Aramis that maybe a little more hustling wouldn't hurt either.

His groin may still be an issue. He would have been thrown out at 2nd on the single had he tried to run, and Hollandsworth walked in any case. I don't like it much either, but it didn't cost the team anything tonight, and if I had the choice between him jogging out a routine grounder, or running hard and reinjuring his leg, i'll take the jogging.

CUBZ99 · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I was hoping to see Bruce lurking since maybe he would have caught something of it and told us, but I haven't seen anything yet.

From the replay on my dvr, it looked as if Aram was ticked about where Hollandsworth threw the ball on Mabry's 3B. It seemed as if Aramis was gesturing to Todd that he should have thrown to the cutoff man or in any case a different direction. Holla tried to walk away and Aramis grabbed his arm (lightly, to be sure) and started back in on him. After that Perez whipped a bat and WGN cut to commercial.

Maybe the heat got to them; maybe the emotions of blowing a game that was completely winnable did. But either way, it's something to watch for.

Interesting.

While I can understand Aramis' reaction to Todd, someone should remind Aramis that maybe a little more hustling wouldn't hurt either.

The fact that Todd Hollandsworth is even playing on a regular basis is a joke. He may be one of the worst everyday LF in baseball.

Transmogrified Tiger · July 23, 2005

Did we ever find out why Aramis was upset with Hollandsworth? Was it for the triple?

I was hoping to see Bruce lurking since maybe he would have caught something of it and told us, but I haven't seen anything yet.

From the replay on my dvr, it looked as if Aram was ticked about where Hollandsworth threw the ball on Mabry's 3B. It seemed as if Aramis was gesturing to Todd that he should have thrown to the cutoff man or in any case a different direction. Holla tried to walk away and Aramis grabbed his arm (lightly, to be sure) and started back in on him. After that Perez whipped a bat and WGN cut to commercial.

Maybe the heat got to them; maybe the emotions of blowing a game that was completely winnable did. But either way, it's something to watch for.

Interesting.

While I can understand Aramis' reaction to Todd, someone should remind Aramis that maybe a little more hustling wouldn't hurt either.

The fact that Todd Hollandsworth is even playing on a regular basis is a joke. He may be one of the worst everyday LF in baseball.

Although he doesn't have enough AB's to qualify, only Randy Winn and Scott Podsednik have a lower OPS among qualified LFers.

Coach C · July 23, 2005

Ugh, I might get slammed for this, but I gotta at least give small props to Dusty for pulling Zambrano after the 9th. When WGN came back on the top of the 10th, they showed the replay of Zambrano being hugged by Dusty, and when Dusty was walking away, Zambrano mentioned something like "one more" but Dusty was shaking his head no. We give alot of crap to Dusty about pitch-counts and all that, but I have to admit that he did, in fact, made the right decision.

Ugh, now if you'll excuse me, I need to go put a bar of soap on my fingers for typing this dirty message.

Clogged Basepaths · July 23, 2005

Sorry if I can't jump on the back of "hey, good job ONLY letting your starting pitcher go 9 innings"

I just can't. I have to disagree. Yanking Z after 118 pitches was maybe one of the most obvious moves in history, has it gotten so bad that we actually start complementing him for not doing the dumbest thing possible?

:cry:

treebird · July 23, 2005

Sorry if I can't jump on the back of "hey, good job ONLY letting your starting pitcher go 9 innings"

I just can't. I have to disagree. Yanking Z after 118 pitches was maybe one of the most obvious moves in history, has it gotten so bad that we actually start complementing him for not doing the dumbest thing possible?

:cry:

i guess we should start complimenting him every time he successfully does a double switch without sending the wrong guy up to bad the next inning

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