Minor League Discussion & Boxes, 8-21-22

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Scheduled Games (All Times Central):

 

Iowa at Indianapolis, 12:35 pm

Tennessee at Birmingham, 4:00 pm

South Bend vs Beloit, 1:05 pm

Myrtle Beach at Down East, 12:00 pm

 

All rookie league teams have the day off

 

Probable Starters:

 

Iowa: RHP Luke Farrell

South Bend: RHP Daniel Palencia

Myrtle Beach: RHP Tyler Santana

[Bertz]

Mekkes started for Iowa today, not sure what happened to force that.

 

Caissie out of the lineup again. Hasn't played since Tuesday. Especially skipping both ends of a doubleheader, it's gotta be an injury.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

[Tim]

He's definitely one of my favorite low-ranked prospects.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

He's definitely one of my favorite low-ranked prospects.

 

6 Ks through 3 scoreless now.

 

[Bertz]

When Palencia is on he is ON

 

Part of me is impatient and would love him fast tracked in order to get to the bullpen next year, but he's such a unicorn being able to hold that crazy velocity so deep into games that you've gotta give it every shot as a starter

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Mekkes started for Iowa today, not sure what happened to force that.

 

Caissie out of the lineup again. Hasn't played since Tuesday. Especially skipping both ends of a doubleheader, it's gotta be an injury.

 

Was hoping for Assad and Wesneski this week with the doubleheader and Keegan on the IL but we’re getting Luke Farrell instead.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

When Palencia is on he is ON

 

Part of me is impatient and would love him fast tracked in order to get to the bullpen next year, but he's such a unicorn being able to hold that crazy velocity so deep into games that you've gotta give it every shot as a starter

 

I like Palencia lots too but he's gone over 3 lower minors IP a whole 9 times over 32 appearances between 2021-2022. Starter in any traditional sense is prooooobably not happening

 

Something interesting about Palencia is he’s averaging more innings per start this year than Walker Buehler did in his one full season in the minors (2017). I feel like it’s pointless to just give up on starting for pitchers who are still building up IP, show they can start so far and are slower movers (Palencia is over a year from the bigs still).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

When Palencia is on he is ON

 

Part of me is impatient and would love him fast tracked in order to get to the bullpen next year, but he's such a unicorn being able to hold that crazy velocity so deep into games that you've gotta give it every shot as a starter

 

I like Palencia lots too but he's gone over 3 lower minors IP a whole 9 times over 32 appearances between 2021-2022. Starter in any traditional sense is prooooobably not happening

 

Something interesting about Palencia is he’s averaging more innings per start this year than Walker Buehler did in his one full season in the minors (2017). I feel like it’s pointless to just give up on starting for pitchers who are still building up IP, show they can start so far and are slower movers (Palencia is over a year from the bigs still).

 

I think that's fair, and though I think part of Palencia's particular IP limits are self-imposed through poor control, it's not like the rotation spot he takes now or over the next 12 months are so precious that he'd be stunting anyone else's development.

 

At the same time, when I think of 'holding velocity deep into games', I think of hitting triple digit pitch counts/3rd time through the order/6+ IP, so I wouldn't use that as a particular point in his favor based on what he's done so far.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

GB, K, IFFB for Estrada in a perfect 8th

[Bertz]

 

I like Palencia lots too but he's gone over 3 lower minors IP a whole 9 times over 32 appearances between 2021-2022. Starter in any traditional sense is prooooobably not happening

 

Something interesting about Palencia is he’s averaging more innings per start this year than Walker Buehler did in his one full season in the minors (2017). I feel like it’s pointless to just give up on starting for pitchers who are still building up IP, show they can start so far and are slower movers (Palencia is over a year from the bigs still).

 

I think that's fair, and though I think part of Palencia's particular IP limits are self-imposed through poor control, it's not like the rotation spot he takes now or over the next 12 months are so precious that he'd be stunting anyone else's development.

 

At the same time, when I think of 'holding velocity deep into games', I think of hitting triple digit pitch counts/3rd time through the order/6+ IP, so I wouldn't use that as a particular point in his favor based on what he's done so far.

 

From a physical standpoint if you're still throwing gas 80+ pitches into a start, I'm not sure there's any difference between that being in the 4th or it being in the 6th.

[Tim]

 

Something interesting about Palencia is he’s averaging more innings per start this year than Walker Buehler did in his one full season in the minors (2017). I feel like it’s pointless to just give up on starting for pitchers who are still building up IP, show they can start so far and are slower movers (Palencia is over a year from the bigs still).

 

I think that's fair, and though I think part of Palencia's particular IP limits are self-imposed through poor control, it's not like the rotation spot he takes now or over the next 12 months are so precious that he'd be stunting anyone else's development.

 

At the same time, when I think of 'holding velocity deep into games', I think of hitting triple digit pitch counts/3rd time through the order/6+ IP, so I wouldn't use that as a particular point in his favor based on what he's done so far.

 

From a physical standpoint if you're still throwing gas 80+ pitches into a start, I'm not sure there's any difference between that being in the 4th or it being in the 6th.

Probably harder to do it in fewer innings with less rest mixed in.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

GB, K, IFFB for Estrada in a perfect 8th

 

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Yes, Buehler might be a disingenuous comparison but I think he is a reminder than IP/S doesn’t necessarily lock you into a relief role.

 

Palencia is racking up innings comparable to, if not greater, than most Latin American signings in their first two pro seasons but since he’s older, he’s already in high-A instead of in the complex leagues and under more scrutiny. He’s still got time to stretch out his pitches/start and innings/season, which he will have to if he wants to be a true starter in the bigs. A better comparison for him would likely be one of those older Latin IFA signees like Framber Valdez or Luis García with the Astros.

 

As a side note, I think we on the outside as a whole tend to be too quick giving up on pitchers as starters, especially now as we have to contend with the lost pandemic season (the lost season didn’t affect Palencia but is something to consider with someone like Keegan Thompson).

[Bertz]

[CaliforniaRaisin]

5 IP, 6 H, 3 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 1 HR for Ben Brown today.

 

The Ks:

 

 

 

 

[Bertz]

[d_money]

He’s on the move to Iowa

[Tim]

He’s on the move to Iowa

Confirmed?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

He’s on the move to Iowa

Confirmed?

 

Yeah, Greg/NamedAfterMaddux confirmed it.

 

Would love to see Nwogu to AA and a long overdue promotion to high-A for Pagán.

 

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