Bears off-season thread 2022

[WrigleyField 22]

no, but summer/spring/fall months it would grow well and still allow the Bears to use the stadium for other purposes, march madness, concerts, what have you, and not destroy the turf doing so. Plus, a grow-house could be constructed next to the stadium if you want to keep it warm but dormant during the winter

That's true I guess. Lambeau uses some sort of artificial light growing system for the winter months and they do pretty well. They also have that hybrid grass that's reinforced with turf. If it works for them I'd think it works for Chicago and then you just gotta put the whole field on giant wheels (basically).

 

As far as other venues, this is just my wacky idea with zero professional knowledge.

 

Grass as your base level with optimisized NFL sight lines. An artifical light/irrigation system that rolls out over it but that can also support weight of your secondary venue floor like NCAA tourney. You raise the floor a bunch, but those bottom row sight lines are useless anyways for stuff like that. So while the Final 4 is rocking above the grass you have lights and irrigation keeping the grass happy underneath.

 

I guess it's a question of strength if that support system being possible? I remember reading about Vegas's structure and they had a similar conundrum because they wanted to maximize seats. Whereas Arizona kept the rollover section as lean as possible, Vegas had to really beef up engineering to hold seats and allow the field to roll under. Then for Tottenham they took the approach of splitting the field. But that seems like a worse option for NFL.

 

eta: I guess he looks at engineering like ballroom dancing...yeah guess what, its not

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/engineer-in-step-with-changing-las-vegas-landscape/

 

Otherwise I guess yea, you do the exact same design (basically) as Vegas but in your empty field have some system to erect temporary green structure and artificial lights for Nov-Feb. In either form, probably using GBs hybrid turf is best bet.

 

through an unlikely set of circumstance, I met the structural engineer/contractor who did the seating stations at LV's stadium. My guess is it is over designed due to the fact I had to fire him on a project of my own....because he lost his license 1/2 trough it. He holds several engineering and contracting licenses and the one he lost was not his engineering license that he used for the stadium, but the incompetence remains. Lets hope the Bears design team finds a better option in the Chicago area

 

eta: I guess he thinks engineering is similar to ballroom dancing..yeah guess what its not

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/engineer-in-step-with-changing-las-vegas-landscape/

Thanks.

 

Maybe the Tottenham approach is possible too. I know Houston used to have a movable field approach but it seemed to really cause injury issue (negating the pro grass point) based on seaming the field pieces together. But that was a ton of seams. If it was just one seam, maybe that would lessen the concerns there.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That's true I guess. Lambeau uses some sort of artificial light growing system for the winter months and they do pretty well. They also have that hybrid grass that's reinforced with turf. If it works for them I'd think it works for Chicago and then you just gotta put the whole field on giant wheels (basically).

 

As far as other venues, this is just my wacky idea with zero professional knowledge.

 

Grass as your base level with optimisized NFL sight lines. An artifical light/irrigation system that rolls out over it but that can also support weight of your secondary venue floor like NCAA tourney. You raise the floor a bunch, but those bottom row sight lines are useless anyways for stuff like that. So while the Final 4 is rocking above the grass you have lights and irrigation keeping the grass happy underneath.

 

I guess it's a question of strength if that support system being possible? I remember reading about Vegas's structure and they had a similar conundrum because they wanted to maximize seats. Whereas Arizona kept the rollover section as lean as possible, Vegas had to really beef up engineering to hold seats and allow the field to roll under. Then for Tottenham they took the approach of splitting the field. But that seems like a worse option for NFL.

 

eta: I guess he looks at engineering like ballroom dancing...yeah guess what, its not

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/engineer-in-step-with-changing-las-vegas-landscape/

 

Otherwise I guess yea, you do the exact same design (basically) as Vegas but in your empty field have some system to erect temporary green structure and artificial lights for Nov-Feb. In either form, probably using GBs hybrid turf is best bet.

 

through an unlikely set of circumstance, I met the structural engineer/contractor who did the seating stations at LV's stadium. My guess is it is over designed due to the fact I had to fire him on a project of my own....because he lost his license 1/2 trough it. He holds several engineering and contracting licenses and the one he lost was not his engineering license that he used for the stadium, but the incompetence remains. Lets hope the Bears design team finds a better option in the Chicago area

 

eta: I guess he thinks engineering is similar to ballroom dancing..yeah guess what its not

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/engineer-in-step-with-changing-las-vegas-landscape/

Thanks.

 

Maybe the Tottenham approach is possible too. I know Houston used to have a movable field approach but it seemed to really cause injury issue (negating the pro grass point) based on seaming the field pieces together. But that was a ton of seams. If it was just one seam, maybe that would lessen the concerns there.

 

or better yet, 0 seams like Phoenix

[WrigleyField 22]

 

through an unlikely set of circumstance, I met the structural engineer/contractor who did the seating stations at LV's stadium. My guess is it is over designed due to the fact I had to fire him on a project of my own....because he lost his license 1/2 trough it. He holds several engineering and contracting licenses and the one he lost was not his engineering license that he used for the stadium, but the incompetence remains. Lets hope the Bears design team finds a better option in the Chicago area

 

eta: I guess he thinks engineering is similar to ballroom dancing..yeah guess what its not

 

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/henderson/engineer-in-step-with-changing-las-vegas-landscape/

Thanks.

 

Maybe the Tottenham approach is possible too. I know Houston used to have a movable field approach but it seemed to really cause injury issue (negating the pro grass point) based on seaming the field pieces together. But that was a ton of seams. If it was just one seam, maybe that would lessen the concerns there.

 

or better yet, 0 seams like Phoenix

Of course. You just give up seats ($). And deal with winter growing in Chicago verse Arizona.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Of course. You just give up seats ($)......

 

I dont know the design well enough to know that is true or why, but sure it could have consequences

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

[jersey cubs fan]

Rams signed ARob for 3/46.5, 30m guaranteed

[raw]

Rams signed ARob for 3/46.5, 30m guaranteed

 

Love that move for him. The Bears should have traded him there at the deadline before they got Odell. I just personally felt bad for this dude playing on bad teams w/ bad QBs and Detroit was the team with the most interest.

 

Wonder if they'd trade us Bobby Trees.

[WrigleyField 22]

Of course. You just give up seats ($)......

 

I dont know the design well enough to know that is true or why, but sure it could have consequences

Where that jumbo tron is where they role the field in. It's a big opening. LV had to really beef up the support to put seats in that area (and maybe it's suspect enhineering).

 

Those aren't the highest value seats, but its something.

[jersey cubs fan]

Rams signed ARob for 3/46.5, 30m guaranteed

 

Love that move for him. The Bears should have traded him there at the deadline before they got Odell. I just personally felt bad for this dude playing on bad teams w/ bad QBs and Detroit was the team with the most interest.

 

Wonder if they'd trade us Bobby Trees.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Of course. You just give up seats ($)......

 

I dont know the design well enough to know that is true or why, but sure it could have consequences

 

Where that jumbo tron is where they role the field in. It's a big opening. LV had to really beef up the support to put seats in that area (and maybe it's suspect enhineering).

 

Those aren't the highest value seats, but its something.

 

I guess what I mean is how they make the opening in the wall, ie concrete arch or steel truss or.....etc. there are expensive ways and reasons and not expensive ways and reasons but not being part of the design team, I dont know the decisions that led them to the results in either Phoenix or LV

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I dont know the design well enough to know that is true or why, but sure it could have consequences

 

Where that jumbo tron is where they role the field in. It's a big opening. LV had to really beef up the support to put seats in that area (and maybe it's suspect enhineering).

 

Those aren't the highest value seats, but its something.

 

I guess what I mean is how they make the opening in the wall, ie concrete arch or steel truss or.....etc. there are expensive ways and reasons and not expensive ways and reasons but not being part of the design team, I dont know the decisions that led them to the results in either Phoenix or LV

This obviously doesn't go into the details to the extent an architect/engineer would need, but this is where I had read about the differences and the design challenge.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/stadium/challenge-for-las-vegas-raiders-stadium-is-moving-grass-field-inside-1568670/

[WrigleyField 22]

That article also talks about some of the extra challenges of Vegas' field to accommodate sharing UNLV as a tenant all season. Hopefully nder no circumstance are he Bears are hosting a similar type of weekly tenant in season. Growing grass indoors and hosting a occasional concert in season would be way different than the need to host a regular tenant who requires their own turf playing surface.

[Splendid Splinter]

Not sure why you guys are talking like the stadium will be domed or convertible. It's totally going to be open air so there's no need for growing lights or rolling fields. Plus it's cheaper!!

[minnesotacubsfan]

Not sure why you guys are talking like the stadium will be domed or convertible. It's totally going to be open air so there's no need for growing lights or rolling fields. Plus it's cheaper!!

 

according to jersey, these will be used for coca plant cultivation and cocaine production, dome or no dome

[minnesotacubsfan]

That article also talks about some of the extra challenges of Vegas' field to accommodate sharing UNLV as a tenant all season. Hopefully nder no circumstance are he Bears are hosting a similar type of weekly tenant in season. Growing grass indoors and hosting a occasional concert in season would be way different than the need to host a regular tenant who requires their own turf playing surface.

 

 

I didn't realize UNLV was a tenant, but that (2 fields) would certainly add complexity

 

ETA: LV has swiveling columns,,,,,woo hoo! we better get some of those. Pony up Virginia $$$$$$$$

 

essentially, because of the seating load they need columns that can move and allow the tray to pas by, but that means other columns have to take up the load (and said other columns also swivel!!!). It is more complicated then Phoenix, but that's why rich people build stadiums (or taxpayers) and we sit and marvel at it all

[WrigleyField 22]

That article also talks about some of the extra challenges of Vegas' field to accommodate sharing UNLV as a tenant all season. Hopefully nder no circumstance are he Bears are hosting a similar type of weekly tenant in season. Growing grass indoors and hosting a occasional concert in season would be way different than the need to host a regular tenant who requires their own turf playing surface.

 

 

I didn't realize UNLV was a tenant, but that (2 fields) would certainly add complexity

 

ETA: LV has swiveling columns,,,,,woo hoo! we better get some of those. Pony up Virginia $$$$$$$$

 

essentially, because of the seating load they need columns that can move and allow the tray to pas by, but that means other columns have to take up the load (and said other columns also swivel!!!). It is more complicated then Phoenix, but that's why rich people build stadiums (or taxpayers) and we sit and marvel at it all

I'm confused as to what exactly holds up the load while the swiveling ones are swiveled. A temporary set of columns? And why can't those just be permanent?

 

(these are somewhat rhetorical questions, please feel free to just respond "engineering magic and crossed fingers")

[minnesotacubsfan]

That article also talks about some of the extra challenges of Vegas' field to accommodate sharing UNLV as a tenant all season. Hopefully nder no circumstance are he Bears are hosting a similar type of weekly tenant in season. Growing grass indoors and hosting a occasional concert in season would be way different than the need to host a regular tenant who requires their own turf playing surface.

 

 

I didn't realize UNLV was a tenant, but that (2 fields) would certainly add complexity

 

ETA: LV has swiveling columns,,,,,woo hoo! we better get some of those. Pony up Virginia $$$$$$$$

 

essentially, because of the seating load they need columns that can move and allow the tray to pas by, but that means other columns have to take up the load (and said other columns also swivel!!!). It is more complicated then Phoenix, but that's why rich people build stadiums (or taxpayers) and we sit and marvel at it all

I'm confused as to what exactly holds up the load while the swiveling ones are swiveled. A temporary set of columns? And why can't those just be permanent?

 

(these are somewhat rhetorical questions, please feel free to just respond "engineering magic and crossed fingers")

 

I'm not entirely sure, but I think the entire seating area pivots out of the way for the tray to pass through the building opening. The swivels could be mounted on rollers that allow the columns to roll with the seating section above/ like a table on casters so to speak. Def engineering magic

 

however, back to Dan the Man Campbell, his super intendant threatened to kill my client 2 times. Once we began the legal proceedings to have him removed from eh project, Dan lost his license...magically. I wont go into the details, but essentially his business partner left him (and his partner had the license under which we were working) and POOF no more company. We were lucky to finish the project. If you have ever seen "Casino", the house we were working on was 8 houses down from Lucky's place:

 

[UMFan83]

Bears signed a couple of mediocre almost scrap heap WRs today. Seems like they are not going to go big there and/or it will be a priority in the draft. I’m glad they are putting a lot of focus on the OL but with the moves the Bears made with the defense I figured they would go all in to ensure Fields is in the best position to succeed. I’m not sure if that will be the case with a WR group of Mooney, 2nd round pick, Pringle, and St. Brown

[WrigleyField 22]

Trying to run some rough estimates.

 

If the Bears keep up with all these one year deals, they can probably only spend about another 19M at most (depends on Ogunjobi structure though)

 

If they want to tap into some 2-3 year deals they could prob spend another 45-50 on multi year deals with backloading, though doesn't seem like Poles is gonna do that. So maybe there's a middle ground if an Armstead or someone is realistic, but if not, I'm guessing they just keep plugging at these 2-6M range guys on one or maybe a couple 2 year deals.

 

They have maybe 30-33 guys who I think are legit NFL 53 man roster guys. 6 draft picks. Maybe a couple UDFAs. So probably you wanna get another 10 solid veteran FAs. If the bottom 5 were at the vet minimum and they averaged $4M on the other 5, that's about another 26M in spending. That would require some backloading or restructures.

 

End up with something along lines of...?

QB- Fields, Foles

RB- Montgomery, Herbert, Evans, UDFA

WR- Mooney, Pringle, Rookie, St Brown, Newsome, UDFA

TE - Kmet, Vet Min, Rookie, Horsted

OT- $4M FA, Jenkins, Borom, Vet Min

OG- Whitehair, Rookie, Vet Min, Vet Min

OC - Patrick, Mustipher

 

DE- Quinn, Gipson, Attachou, Rookie

DT - Ogunjobi, Tonga, Blackson, Edwards, Rookie

LB - Smith, Morrow, $4M FA, Johnson, Vet Min

CB- Johnson, $4M FA, Graham, Vildor, Shelley, UDFA

S - Jackson, $4M FA, Rookie, Vet Min

 

Scales, Cairos, Punter

[UK]

This roster is built for 2023.

 

If they don't finish in the bottom 5, Poles will be disappointed.

[WrigleyField 22]

This roster is built for 2023.

 

If they don't finish in the bottom 5, Poles will be disappointed.

Trying to tank for a top 5 pick with your second year possible franchise QB sounds like a terrible plan.

 

And in order to spend all that money for 2023 as a bad team off 2022, you probably end up looking like the Jaguars and overpay a ton.

 

It's really just not a good idea to lay over and play dead for an entire NFL offseason. Hope he has a couple other agressive moves. But not counting on it...

Edited March 18, 2022 by WrigleyField 22

[WrigleyField 22]

A far more appealing outcome is if Poles is betting on good fits+good coaching + easier schedule to make this like a 8-9 with Fields making a solid year 2 leap and then heading into 2023 with the 100M in space and a mid first rounder. Would be a appealing FA destination and have lots of flexibility.

 

But the good fits+good coaching + easier schedule is a big bet.

[jumbo]

I heard this year's scheule is easier, so I had to look it up.

In addition to the NFC North Home/Away, there is also

 

NFC East - Cowboys, Eagles, WFT, Giants

AFC East - Bills, Patriots, Dolphins, Jets

NFC South #3 - Falcons

NFC West #3 - 49ers

AFC South #3 - Texans

 

Jets, Texans, Giants, Lions are the only teams with a worse 2021 record than the Bears (5 games)

Bills, Patriots, Cowboys, Eagles, 49ers, Packers are 2021 playoff teams (7 games)

 

That leaves WFT, Falcons, Dolphins, Vikings as in between (5 games)

 

Looks like 7-9 wins at a glance

[raw]

The 2 WR moves don't really move the needle for me much. I actually like Pringle a lot. He worked his way up the KC depth chart and was essentially their 3rd/4th weapon behind Hill/Kelce late in the year. But we have to put in perspective that his "breakout" season in 2021 was at at 28 and still less than 600 yards for a team that had like 2000 more yards passing than the 2021 Bears did. He's OK as a 3rd WR, but more ideal as a 4 WR who has a chance to work his way to a 3 like he did in KC. But it's a 1-year deal, so he's clearly not being looked at as a building block. Just a spot on the 53 in a rebuilding year.

 

St. Brown is frankly, not good. He's a bottom of the roster player. He was the 5th WR and like the 9th or 10th option (behind RBs and TEs) in GB. While they were a good offense, remember this is a team that people have said "doesn't have enough weapons" for years with St. Brown on the roster that he couldn't crack the rotation of. He's a special teamer at best, who should not get reps over Dazz Newsome at this point.

[Soul]

The 2 WR moves don't really move the needle for me much. I actually like Pringle a lot. He worked his way up the KC depth chart and was essentially their 3rd/4th weapon behind Hill/Kelce late in the year. But we have to put in perspective that his "breakout" season in 2021 was at at 28 and still less than 600 yards for a team that had like 2000 more yards passing than the 2021 Bears did. He's OK as a 3rd WR, but more ideal as a 4 WR who has a chance to work his way to a 3 like he did in KC. But it's a 1-year deal, so he's clearly not being looked at as a building block. Just a spot on the 53 in a rebuilding year.

 

St. Brown is frankly, not good. He's a bottom of the roster player. He was the 5th WR and like the 9th or 10th option (behind RBs and TEs) in GB. While they were a good offense, remember this is a team that people have said "doesn't have enough weapons" for years with St. Brown on the roster that he couldn't crack the rotation of. He's a special teamer at best, who should not get reps over Dazz Newsome at this point.

 

St. Brown is indeed trash. Classic Packers non-NFL player who Rodgers made look like an NFL player, and even then he's a bottom feeder. He's a waste of space.