9/26: Cubs (Q) @ Pirates (Musgrove) 6:05 NBCSCH

[Derwood]

Being no-hit by Musgrove sounds about right

[gobigred]

Being no-hit by Musgrove sounds about right

The answer is yes the Brewers will play .900 baseball the rest of the season

[itisallpartoftheplan]

I’m confused why we can’t get a hit since our lineup is similar to the Brewers lineup in terms of OPS

[17 Seconds]

quintana is one of the most disappointing cubs in my lifetime

He’s getting paid $10m to be a top 50 pitcher in baseball while the dude we traded for him struggles to hit a .300 OBP. I was hoping for better, but we’ve done far, far worse.

 

It doesnt matter what eloy is doing. his value when he was traded was immense and we got a complete bum for it.

[Sammy Sofa]

quintana is one of the most disappointing cubs in my lifetime

He’s getting paid $10m to be a top 50 pitcher in baseball while the dude we traded for him struggles to hit a .300 OBP. I was hoping for better, but we’ve done far, far worse.

 

It doesnt matter what eloy is doing. his value when he was traded was immense and we got a complete bum for it.

 

Yeah, the whole, "oh yeah?!? Eloy SUCKS!!!" thing is so old; I don't think there's anyone here actually pining for Eloy to still be with the Cubs. The frustration is that a very, very valuable trade asset was traded for one of the lamest technically good pitchers you could possibly find.

 

Being lamely technically good seems to be the Theo Cubs specialty, like, 75% of the time.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Quintana shouldn't be on this team next year, but he will be, because letting him walk makes the trade look even worse.

[Sammy Sofa]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more fucked without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

[UMFan83]

Last 5 Q starts:

 

5 IP, 4 R

3 IP, 6 R

2.1 IP, 5 R

3.1 IP, 5 R

4.2 IP, 7 R (so far)

[17 Seconds]

russell being awful is far and away the best part of this season

[Sammy Sofa]

I gotta say, it's weirdly pretty damn impressive to basically end the season just getting absolutely pantsed like this time and time again.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more horsefeathers without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

There isn't another pitcher out there for $10.5 million that can give innings and actually has some upside?

[Cubswin11]

quintana is one of the most disappointing cubs in my lifetime

He’s getting paid $10m to be a top 50 pitcher in baseball while the dude we traded for him struggles to hit a .300 OBP. I was hoping for better, but we’ve done far, far worse.

 

It doesnt matter what eloy is doing. his value when he was traded was immense and we got a complete bum for it.

Was it immense? I’m guessing he wasn’t as highly valued as the prospect rankings suggested since us idiots on a message board know Eloy is majorly flawed and is capped as a 3 win player. It does sucks there really weren’t any other SPs available at the time (or maybe teams with better ones told us to horsefeathers off with Eloy being the main bargaining chip).

[UMFan83]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more horsefeathers without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

 

How many $ is a win worth these days?

 

I’d say yes he should definitely be picked up, he’s probably more of a 4.00ish era pitcher than a 5. His ERA was below 4 before he inexplicably fell apart these last 5 starts.

[Cubswin11]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more horsefeathers without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

There isn't another pitcher out there for $10.5 million that can give innings and actually has some upside?

For one year you maybe can find equal value in FA, but any guy that’s going to take that on an AAV is likely taking more than a 1 year commitment and I don’t see a guy that in this FA class outside of Cole to go multiple years on.

[Sammy Sofa]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more horsefeathers without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

There isn't another pitcher out there for $10.5 million that can give innings and actually has some upside?

 

If you include the bolded part? Probably not, no. Quintana is a nerd, but he's going to be just shy of a 3.5 fWAR starting pitcher this season, and outside of last year has been even better than that for 4 straight seasons.

 

If they actually do get rid of the juiced balls, he suddenly looks a LOT better.

[Sammy Sofa]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more horsefeathers without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

 

How many $ is a win worth these days?

 

I’d say yes he should definitely be picked up, he’s probably more of a 4.00ish era pitcher than a 5. His ERA was below 4 before he inexplicably fell apart these last 5 starts.

 

Fangraphs has him worth over $26 million this year.

 

Honestly, the main outlier for him has been the dongs. The concerning part is that that issue first showed up in 2017, and isn't considered that this league-wide power surge didn't happen until last season?

[Cubswin11]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more horsefeathers without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

 

How many $ is a win worth these days?

 

I’d say yes he should definitely be picked up, he’s probably more of a 4.00ish era pitcher than a 5. His ERA was below 4 before he inexplicably fell apart these last 5 starts.

 

Fangraphs has him worth over $26 million this year.

 

Honestly, the main outlier for him has been the dongs. The concerning part is that that issue first showed up in 2017, and isn't considered that this league-wide power surge didn't happen until last season?

The juiced balls came in sometime during 2017, idk if it was league wide but they were in the system at some point during the year and fully in for the playoffs and World Series (the pitchers were all complaining about the ball).

Edited September 27, 2019 by Cubswin11

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Man, he is, again, lame as horsefeathers, but not picking up his option makes zero sense. It's only $10 million, right? The rotation is even more horsefeathers without him, and that's just yet another spot that needs to be filled.

 

How many $ is a win worth these days?

 

I’d say yes he should definitely be picked up, he’s probably more of a 4.00ish era pitcher than a 5. His ERA was below 4 before he inexplicably fell apart these last 5 starts.

 

Fangraphs has him worth over $26 million this year.

 

Honestly, the main outlier for him has been the dongs. The concerning part is that that issue first showed up in 2017, and isn't considered that this league-wide power surge didn't happen until last season?

 

This where I get so damn confused. I watched Q all season, and never ever would I have thought, 'Yeah, this guy was worth a one-year, $26 million dollar deal this year.'

[Irrelevant Dude]

 

How many $ is a win worth these days?

 

I’d say yes he should definitely be picked up, he’s probably more of a 4.00ish era pitcher than a 5. His ERA was below 4 before he inexplicably fell apart these last 5 starts.

 

Fangraphs has him worth over $26 million this year.

 

Honestly, the main outlier for him has been the dongs. The concerning part is that that issue first showed up in 2017, and isn't considered that this league-wide power surge didn't happen until last season?

 

This where I get so damn confused. I watched Q all season, and never ever would I have thought, 'Yeah, this guy was worth a one-year, $26 million dollar deal this year.'

I don't see how that is possible. I would double check my algorithm on that one.

[Sammy Sofa]

 

How many $ is a win worth these days?

 

I’d say yes he should definitely be picked up, he’s probably more of a 4.00ish era pitcher than a 5. His ERA was below 4 before he inexplicably fell apart these last 5 starts.

 

Fangraphs has him worth over $26 million this year.

 

Honestly, the main outlier for him has been the dongs. The concerning part is that that issue first showed up in 2017, and isn't considered that this league-wide power surge didn't happen until last season?

The juiced balls came in sometime during 2017, idk if it was league wide but they were in the system at some point during the year and fully in for the playoffs and World Series (the pitchers were all complaining about the ball).

 

Well, horsefeathers; that's it then. I mean, you look at his numbers over the last 3 seasons, the main thing that jumps out is how his HR% jumped up.

[Cubswin11]

 

Fangraphs has him worth over $26 million this year.

 

Honestly, the main outlier for him has been the dongs. The concerning part is that that issue first showed up in 2017, and isn't considered that this league-wide power surge didn't happen until last season?

The juiced balls came in sometime during 2017, idk if it was league wide but they were in the system at some point during the year and fully in for the playoffs and World Series (the pitchers were all complaining about the ball).

 

Well, horsefeathers; that's it then. I mean, you look at his numbers over the last 3 seasons, the main thing that jumps out is how his HR% jumped up.

Yeah I think the ball is a big part. And not to go all woe is us, excuse maker. But looking at the pitching and offensive profile of the team I think the Cubs have been adversely affected by the juiced ball. The pitching was largely contact dependent since 2016, the offense was based on OBP and power (doesn’t seem like any guy got a real power boost with the ball, they all maintained their talent which would’ve been above average with the old ball).

[Sammy Sofa]

The juiced balls came in sometime during 2017, idk if it was league wide but they were in the system at some point during the year and fully in for the playoffs and World Series (the pitchers were all complaining about the ball).

 

Well, horsefeathers; that's it then. I mean, you look at his numbers over the last 3 seasons, the main thing that jumps out is how his HR% jumped up.

Yeah I think the ball is a big part. And not to go all woe is us, excuse maker. But looking at the pitching and offensive profile of the team I think the Cubs have been adversely affected by the juiced ball. The pitching was largely contact dependent since 2016, the offense was based on OBP and power (doesn’t seem like any guy got a real power boost with the ball, they all maintained their talent which would’ve been above average with the old ball).

 

Yeah, I'm still baffled how the dong surge seemingly didn't hit the Cubs in any obvious way outside of Heyward, maybe Castellanos, and Almora for, like, a month.

[Cubswin11]

 

Well, horsefeathers; that's it then. I mean, you look at his numbers over the last 3 seasons, the main thing that jumps out is how his HR% jumped up.

Yeah I think the ball is a big part. And not to go all woe is us, excuse maker. But looking at the pitching and offensive profile of the team I think the Cubs have been adversely affected by the juiced ball. The pitching was largely contact dependent since 2016, the offense was based on OBP and power (doesn’t seem like any guy got a real power boost with the ball, they all maintained their talent which would’ve been above average with the old ball).

 

Yeah, I'm still baffled how the dong surge seemingly didn't hit the Cubs in any obvious way outside of Heyward, maybe Castellanos, and Almora for, like, a month.

It’s horsefeathering bizarre man. Like Rizzo king of hitting 28-32 HRs a year couldn’t somehow have a 40-50 Dong year in this environment? It makes no sense. But at the same time all these guys would hold these HR totals in the old ball environment while every other dude saw massive dips.

[CyHawk_Cub]

LOL at the energy wasted by the Addison Russell backers. So much performative angst for such a mediocre player. Something that was conveniently forgotten while the debates were raging; he is pretty much what he's shown himself to be as a player. It's revealing how loudly some clamored for him after the abuse came to light.

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

LOL at the energy wasted by the Addison Russell backers. So much performative angst for such a mediocre player. Something that was conveniently forgotten while the debates were raging; he is pretty much what he's shown himself to be as a player. It's revealing how loudly some clamored for him after the abuse came to light.

Sort of along these same lines, I have always thought it was interesting that it seems like the one thing that actually gets a large percentage of fans from a rival to actually defend a player on another team is allegations of abuse or rape. Like the one thing that overrides sports allegiance for a certain group of men is to stick together against the women that dare to bring allegations forth.