Realistic Trade Targets

[SRQCub]

With Gregorius needing TJS, wonder if Russell for Gray straight up is worth it?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

With Gregorius needing TJS, wonder if Russell for Gray straight up is worth it?

 

That won’t make sense financially if the Cubs are trying to avoid the higher end of the CBT.

[d_money]

Braves and Padres...possible Rule 5 targets.

[imb]

Braves and Padres...possible Rule 5 targets.

 

its actually rule V

[Sammy Sofa]

Braves and Padres...possible Rule 5 targets.

 

its actually rule V

 

It's actually Rule .

[Cubswin11]

Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

 

Castellanos plus one of their arms seems like it could end well for the Cubs

Where would he play? He’s atrocious on defense. I suppose we could trade for him and dump him in the middle of Lake Michigan for knocking Braun’s ball over the wall.

[Backtobanks]

Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

 

Castellanos plus one or two of their arms (Jimenez, Norris, Greene, Mize, Burrows, Manning) seems like it could end well for the Cubs

 

 

I'd rather do Peralta and Bradley in the diamonback fire sale.

[Cubswin11]

Where would he play? He’s atrocious on defense. I suppose we could trade for him and dump him in the middle of Lake Michigan for knocking Braun’s ball over the wall.

 

Harper - Heyward/Someone - Castellanos

 

Should add that Castellanos is mostly about adding a RH bat coming off a ~.350 wOBA over the past three years in his 20’s for pretty cheap. Getting him out of the infield full time may help mitigate some of the damage on defense

 

Frees up Schwarber for a cheap SP, Almora/Happ for a cost controlled reliever, etc

I'm assuming Schwarber or Happ would be needed to trade for Castellanos? I'm not overly against the idea. Schwarber for him makes some sense for both teams.

[imb]

 

Should add that Castellanos is mostly about adding a RH bat coming off a ~.350 wOBA over the past three years in his 20’s for pretty cheap. Getting him out of the infield full time may help mitigate some of the damage on defense

 

Frees up Schwarber for a cheap SP, Almora/Happ for a cost controlled reliever, etc

I'm assuming Schwarber or Happ would be needed to trade for Castellanos? I'm not overly against the idea. Schwarber for him makes some sense for both teams.

 

I’d do* Schwarber for Castellanos and Mize or Manning, not sure about the rest

 

Note: Probably

 

in what horsefeathering universe are the detroit tigers trading their 1/1 pick from last year for kyle schwarber

[Gilby]

Get it done Theo

[davell]

Castellanos makes some sense for us. But, he's a pure rental. And as a horrible defender too, I seriously doubt he's costing very much in trade...... Corner guys don't bring that much of a return, in general.

 

He certainly wouldn't cost Schwarber or Happ.

 

The problem though, in figuring out potential landing spots for a Schwarber, is aligning his clock, with the acquiring teams clock. Kyle only has 3 years of control himself. So, a team like Detroit probably has little to no interest in him honestly, because their window isn't current or maybe not even for another couple of years......

 

I think that IF Schwarber gets dealt, it's to Tampa, Oakland, Seattle, Minnesota, Angels, or Texas...... 1) I think they'd trade him to an AL team to maximize value and 2) To a team that figures to think of themselves as competitive now and that may not want or have the funds to spend huge currently.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Castellanos isn’t a free agent till after 2020 unless I’m misreading Cots.

 

Getting a RH power hitter to offset an all lefty outfield (assuming the Cubs sign Harper) is a great idea, but it would be easier to fill the gaping hole in the middle infield.

[davell]

Castellanos isn’t a free agent till after 2020 unless I’m misreading Cots.

 

Getting a RH power hitter to offset an all lefty outfield (assuming the Cubs sign Harper) is a great idea, but it would be easier to fill the gaping hole in the middle infield.

 

Hmm, I'm still seeing his last Arb year as 2019.

 

At any rate, I figure he's a guy that gets 15-20 mill per on the open market. Assuming we do go over the upper end to get one of Bryce or Manny, I honestly don't see us filling in with even more relatively expensive guys. If Schwarber is gone, I'd figure Happ or some other guy we acquire, at well under that type of salary, since up being our answer.......

 

Hence, why I'm liking a Marwin Gonzalez signing to pair with Bryce. He's probably half the eventual salary of a Castellanos, yet can also play back up SS.

[davell]

I like Marwin Gonzalez. Can we sign him in any scenario?

 

What do you mean, by any scenario? If you mean, on top of adding Bryce, Castellanos, and one of Iglesias or Kipnis, the answer seemingly is no.....

 

If you look at our payroll after bringing back Hamels, we're basically sitting around 225, counting the BS extras that go into the LT.

 

Add Bryce. That's gotta be a 35 AAV, right? Hell, might be more. At any rate, that moves you to 260.

 

You've still got to add a pen arm with at least some back end experience. Maybe bring Chavez back too. Maybe look at a backup C. And still find a guy that can play some SS......

 

My ideal off season is Chavez at 5, Bryce at 35, Robertson at 12, Gonzalez at 9, and Rivera at 3. With Schwarber being moved for a solid pre Arb pen arm and a fairly solid starter prospect.(Alzolay level)

 

At any rate, THAT off season puts the LT number around 285.

 

And I don't think we'll go 40 over the top end honestly. If you go that far over, you've got over a 15 mill tax hit, just on the overage. Plus, more on the 206-246 range too.....

 

And I truly feel like Theo will at least ATTEMPT to sell this as it only being a one year thing, then we can head back under the top end......(Although, I doubt we will actually go back under)

 

So, I don't know...... Get rid of Duensing and Kintzler. Saves you 8.5. But, I'm still not sold on us actually attaching assets to move shitty deals. We'll see though...... I don't think Heyward or Chatwood can be moved personally. Or at least not in a sensible deal. Short of something like Chatwood and Kintzler to Toronto for Martin..... Maybe they'd look at Russell as the value needed to take on the 2nd year of Chatwood. No idea.

[davell]

You've got these guys off after 2019- Duensing-3.5, Kintzler-5, Zobrist-14, Hamels-14(if we just pick up the option), Morrow-10.5, Strop-6.25, Smyly-5, Cishek-7, Total-65.25

 

On the other hand, these guys are due raises...... KB(2nd to 3rd yr arb), Hendricks(2-3), La Stella(2-3), Javy(1-2), Schwarber(1-2), Monty(1-2), Edwards(1-2), plus the 1st Year of Arb for Willy, Almora, and Happ......

 

Some of that group will be gone. But, if KB, Javy, and Hendricks have good years in 2019, that's 20 mill of raises right there. Let's say Willy gets 4 and Happ gets 3....... The rest are gone. Outside of Carl, who let's say gets a mill raise.

 

So, the 65 mill you're losing, very quickly becomes 37.

 

And then, Rizzo's 5.857 cap number also jumps to 14.5. That's over 8.5 more, to bring that number down under 30.

 

And who knows what kind of needs we'll have to fill, at that point......

 

But, if we had my original offseason, Bryce, Marwin, Chavez, Rivera, and Robertson, that puts us at 285? Subtract what we've got coming off, and we're still over the top end, by 10 mill, before addressing any needs at all......

 

(Chatwood and his 12.666 and Quintana and his 10.5 are the likely contracts to be moved off by then)

 

At any rate, all I'm saying is that once we go over(which I only expect us to go over the top end of it nets Manny or Bryce), it's not easy whatsoever to actually go back under......

 

Again, I think we'll go over. But, maybe not at the level I mentioned previously. Maybe the trade of Schwarber brings us our main pen arm. Maybe Chavez and Rivera aren't important. Maybe we go with the Hecchevarria type at 2 mill, versus the 9 or whatever Marwin costs......

 

No freaking idea. Other than even with our new TV Deal on the way, I don't see us just staying over the top end consistently. Don't see that being a Ricketts thing either, as much as I think it'll be a Theo thing.....

 

But again, we've not even heard a single payroll rumor yet...... I'm putting the over/under at 265 myself. I think you can get Bryce and make smart, lower cost moves, to fill in the other holes, but mostly thru trade and not FA.

[imb]

Castellanos isn’t a free agent till after 2020 unless I’m misreading Cots.

 

Getting a RH power hitter to offset an all lefty outfield (assuming the Cubs sign Harper) is a great idea, but it would be easier to fill the gaping hole in the middle infield.

 

Sign Kipnis after the Indians shockingly buyout his option, replace LaStella with a glove player like Igleisias

 

Speaking of the Indians...Would Schwarber/Happ/Almora for Triston McKenzie and Lenny Torres be a bad deal for either side?

 

yes trading 75 percent of our outfield for a 17 year old and an albeit very good guy in AA would be bad

[Bertz]

The payroll's not coming down unless we dump salary or backfill guys with prospects. After 2019, we have a couple guys hit FA, but most/all of that money gets eaten up by arb raises. After 2020, a ton of money comes off the books, but that is because practically the entire pitching staff besides Darvish hits free agency. The year after that, more money, but it's because Rizzo, Bryant, Schwarber, and Javy all hit FA.

 

Realistically we really need to hit on 4-5 pitching prospects in the next two years or we need PTR to be cool with a $300m payroll to be able to do anything beyond Bryce Harper the next few years.

[NonProfitCow]

75%? McKenzie’s probably ML ready late 2019 or early 2020 if that helps

He'll be rehabbing from his TJS until 2021.

[Sammy Sofa]

I feel like Tom took this thread's title as a challenge.

[imb]

 

Sign Kipnis after the Indians shockingly buyout his option, replace LaStella with a glove player like Igleisias

 

Speaking of the Indians...Would Schwarber/Happ/Almora for Triston McKenzie and Lenny Torres be a bad deal for either side?

 

yes trading 75 percent of our outfield for a 17 year old and an albeit very good guy in AA would be bad

 

75%? McKenzie’s probably ML ready late 2019 or early 2020 if that helps

 

he's a young rail thin pitcher (he's thinner than CARL EDWARDS JR unbelievably) and we'd be running out an OF of Heyward (missed time with injuries) Harper (missed time with injuries) Zobrist (old AF) and .... maybe we could get szcur back.

 

please just stop with this stupid video game horsefeathers you do please

[Cubswin11]

 

yes trading 75 percent of our outfield for a 17 year old and an albeit very good guy in AA would be bad

 

75%? McKenzie’s probably ML ready late 2019 or early 2020 if that helps

 

he's a young rail thin pitcher (he's thinner than CARL EDWARDS JR unbelievably) and we'd be running out an OF of Heyward (missed time with injuries) Harper (missed time with injuries) Zobrist (old AF) and .... maybe we could get szcur back.

 

please just stop with this stupid video game horsefeathers you do please

Hey man, they're throwing in Lenny Torres and all 15 innings of rookie ball he's ever thrown too.

[Cubswin11]

I feel like Tom took this thread's title as a challenge.

You can't pass up trading almost your whole MLB outfield for a guy who pitched 90 total innings this year in MiLB (all in AA) and missed time with a forearm injury when the opportunity presents itself.

[CyHawk_Cub]

[davell]

Sharma has brought up Doolittle on multiple occasions, even saying there's a reason he brings him up lol.....

 

So, I'm guessing we really like him. He's got 2 club options left, at 6 and 6.5 mill.

 

Does Happ, Monty, and one of Short or Ademan get him? Or is that not in the ballpark?

 

Or straight up...... Schwarber for Doolittle?

 

Issue number 1 being the Nats have Eaton, Robles, and Soto in the OF. Making Schwarber a rough fit. Unless they use him at 1st and platoon him with Zimmerman? No idea. Don't see him as a fit though.......

 

Happ playing multiple positions makes him a fit, maybe even as a full time 2B, if they think he's able to hack it there.....

[Bertz]

Sharma has brought up Doolittle on multiple occasions, even saying there's a reason he brings him up lol.....

 

So, I'm guessing we really like him. He's got 2 club options left, at 6 and 6.5 mill.

 

Does Happ, Monty, and one of Short or Ademan get him? Or is that not in the ballpark?

 

Or straight up...... Schwarber for Doolittle?

 

Issue number 1 being the Nats have Eaton, Robles, and Soto in the OF. Making Schwarber a rough fit. Unless they use him at 1st and platoon him with Zimmerman? No idea. Don't see him as a fit though.......

 

Happ playing multiple positions makes him a fit, maybe even as a full time 2B, if they think he's able to hack it there.....

 

Doolittle is great, but I don't imagine he'd be prohibitively expensive in terms of players. He hasn't pitched a full season since 2014. He's basically Morrow but not currently injured. Plus, this year's FA class is loaded on relievers. Depending on how rebuild-y the Nats are feeling, I think Montgomery would be plenty.