Bears offseason

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree we have to improve the 53 man, but I don't see us unseating the other teams in our division next year. Improve our secondary, find a serviceable QB (Cutty, broken Rome, whoever) and get ready for the future QB in 2018. That's the year we start a likely run.

the other teams had 10, 9 and 8 wins this year. They aren't world beaters. The Vikings gave away a first for freaking Sam Bradford and it blew up on them, and that situation isn't getting better.

 

This isn't the AFC East. Anybody can win this division.

[Splendid Splinter]

I agree we have to improve the 53 man, but I don't see us unseating the other teams in our division next year. Improve our secondary, find a serviceable QB (Cutty, broken Rome, whoever) and get ready for the future QB in 2018. That's the year we start a likely run.

the other teams had 10, 9 and 8 wins this year. They aren't world beaters. The Vikings gave away a first for freaking Sam Bradford and it blew up on them, and that situation isn't getting better.

 

This isn't the AFC East. Anybody can win this division.

 

Packers ended on a 6 game winning streak to get to 10 wins. Vikings was 5-0 to start the season and somehow only got 8 wins with Bradford setting the all time record in comp % in a season. It just shows you that things can change in a hurry. Lions are just the Lions. None of them makes me think, "oh god... we have zero chance at division/playoffs."

[minnesotacubsfan]

I agree we have to improve the 53 man, but I don't see us unseating the other teams in our division next year. Improve our secondary, find a serviceable QB (Cutty, broken Rome, whoever) and get ready for the future QB in 2018. That's the year we start a likely run.

the other teams had 10, 9 and 8 wins this year. They aren't world beaters. The Vikings gave away a first for freaking Sam Bradford and it blew up on them, and that situation isn't getting better.

 

This isn't the AFC East. Anybody w/ Aaron Rodgers can win this division.

 

 

Fixed. Until he retires or gets hurt, they will always be at or near the top.

[Thrilho]

Personally, I'm a UNC graduate and still not a true fan of Trubisky. I don't see any realistic chance he's close to ready as a starter from Day 1. I don't think he's a starter at all during the 2017 season.

 

And my prediction is a few QB's wind up going in the 1st, but Trubisky is there for us in the 2nd round. I think Mahomes is going to bypass Trubisky on most boards.

 

Edit- I'm a big fan of grabbing Taylor. But I'd still take a QB in the 2nd or 3rd. Enough decent options that one falls to us.

Yeah that's pretty low on Trubisky. Some of the other UNC posters I've seen are lower on him too. He had great receivers and took an 11-3 team to 8-5, so there had to be a lot of choking in there that you saw and I didn't. And, after avoiding the interception all season, had a pretty bad bowl game with them. But even in that game he lead an impressive last drive for the TD, and had two TD passes on that drive nullified by penalty before he got the one that counted. So even some solid work there I thought.

 

I'm with you though that he wouldn't be ready to start day 1, but I'd be cool with that. I'd probably just sign Hoyer and let him play most of the season until Trubisky is ready. But man, the more I watch of him the more I see top caliber NFL tools. Accuracy, touch, pocket presence, and mobility are probably my favorite things about him. But then you've got the deep ball (see 2:32, 2:51, and 3:51)

 

 

He seems to have a great knack for hitting receivers in stride with room to run on all levels. Puts zip on it but it's usually catchable. I didn't watch close to all the games, but I have watched all the passing plays from a few games. So I'm not completely just up the ass of a highlight video, but I'll admit I don't know how consistent his mechanics were or what his decision making was like all year, whether he went through reads and whatever. But man...those tools. Glad it's not my decision though because I am quite sure I don't know what I'm talking about.

 

Mahomes wouldn't be a bad second round option. Just no Kaaya.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I agree we have to improve the 53 man, but I don't see us unseating the other teams in our division next year. Improve our secondary, find a serviceable QB (Cutty, broken Rome, whoever) and get ready for the future QB in 2018. That's the year we start a likely run.

the other teams had 10, 9 and 8 wins this year. They aren't world beaters. The Vikings gave away a first for freaking Sam Bradford and it blew up on them, and that situation isn't getting better.

 

This isn't the AFC East. Anybody can win this division.

 

Packers ended on a 6 game winning streak to get to 10 wins. Vikings was 5-0 to start the season and somehow only got 8 wins with Bradford setting the all time record in comp % in a season. It just shows you that things can change in a hurry. Lions are just the Lions. None of them makes me think, "oh god... we have zero chance at division/playoffs."

 

 

Feels like we've been sayin this for 20-30 years. Aside from 2005-2007, it's been pretty horsefeathering spotty

[davell]

If Allen comes out(he's supposedly on the fence and hearing completely opposite ideas on where he'd go), it'd give us a really decent chance of having a relatively solid QB prospect fall to us in the 2nd or 3rd. If Garoppolo gets dealt, it increases the chances even more. If we wind up with Taylor(or another starter), I really think we'll have a chance at a Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, or Webb fall to us in the 2nd. Watson and Webb could potentially even be there in the 3rd.(Watson is volatile though, with a great showing against Bama, he's probably a lock for the 1st round)

[WrigleyField 22]

I want Hall to emerge as the second corner. Really like him.

Thats asking a lot, but if its just a huge offseason/camp battle between him, Callahan, LeBlanc, and Porter, and we have a secure starter via FA opposite them, I'll feel pretty good about our CB situation for next year.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I see Swiss cheeze

 

 

I'm posting from a creamery, however

[Splendid Splinter]

I think people need to move on from Taylor. I can't see Bills cutting or trading him since he had his surgery. He's owed like 27.5 mil next season (12 mil base + 15.5 mil roster bonus). Sure they could release him or trade, but there's been talks that if he's cut, his agent and NFLPA will argue that Bills should still pay the 15.5 mil roster bonus because they cut him before he's declared "healthy". He have to get that healthy tag before March 12th if they don't want to pay the roster bonus. Plus what team will trade him and gift the Bills to get out of this mess and not to pay him unless you basically get him for free?

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tyrod-taylors-surgery-might-be-latest-indication-he-and-bills-are-headed-for-split-175204163.html;_ylt=A0LEV0hxQ3BYFvAAcClx.9w4;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNGl0bGR0BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjI1MzZfMQRzZWMDc2M-

 

I just have a hard time seeing Taylor being available. I guess Bills could reach a settlement before they release him?

[David]

I want Hall to emerge as the second corner. Really like him.

Thats asking a lot, but if its just a huge offseason/camp battle between him, Callahan, LeBlanc, and Porter, and we have a secure starter via FA opposite them, I'll feel pretty good about our CB situation for next year.

 

Oh, I don't necessarily mean right off the bat or anything. Just in the nearer long term...maybe by end of next year or something.

[David]

If Allen comes out(he's supposedly on the fence and hearing completely opposite ideas on where he'd go), it'd give us a really decent chance of having a relatively solid QB prospect fall to us in the 2nd or 3rd. If Garoppolo gets dealt, it increases the chances even more. If we wind up with Taylor(or another starter), I really think we'll have a chance at a Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, or Webb fall to us in the 2nd. Watson and Webb could potentially even be there in the 3rd.(Watson is volatile though, with a great showing against Bama, he's probably a lock for the 1st round)

 

I keep seeing Trubisky mentioned in the first couple of picks if he goes. You think he's going to fall to the second??

[minnesotacubsfan]

If Allen comes out(he's supposedly on the fence and hearing completely opposite ideas on where he'd go), it'd give us a really decent chance of having a relatively solid QB prospect fall to us in the 2nd or 3rd. If Garoppolo gets dealt, it increases the chances even more. If we wind up with Taylor(or another starter), I really think we'll have a chance at a Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, or Webb fall to us in the 2nd. Watson and Webb could potentially even be there in the 3rd.(Watson is volatile though, with a great showing against Bama, he's probably a lock for the 1st round)

 

I keep seeing Trubisky mentioned in the first couple of picks if he goes. You think he's going to fall to the second??

Well yea! We're going to have the 1969 Vikings defense too!!!

 

I should stop posting after 3.

[davell]

If Allen comes out(he's supposedly on the fence and hearing completely opposite ideas on where he'd go), it'd give us a really decent chance of having a relatively solid QB prospect fall to us in the 2nd or 3rd. If Garoppolo gets dealt, it increases the chances even more. If we wind up with Taylor(or another starter), I really think we'll have a chance at a Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, or Webb fall to us in the 2nd. Watson and Webb could potentially even be there in the 3rd.(Watson is volatile though, with a great showing against Bama, he's probably a lock for the 1st round)

 

I keep seeing Trubisky mentioned in the first couple of picks if he goes. You think he's going to fall to the second??

 

It won't shock me. I don't think any of this group is truly a top 10 talent. Outside of Kizer, I've already seen the rest of this group get second round grades put on them by a few teams. If his combine is just average, he's a one year starter in college, that could easily get the "project" label attached.

 

QB's typically get reached for. But the teams in need are all drafting high, for the most part. With a very solid group of impact types available inside the top 10.And unless a team falls in love with him, over some of the others in this group, I think MOST of them are going to drop. The supply is there, while the demand isn't really.

 

Kizer is definitely going in the 1st. I'm sure another guy or two will as well. But I don't think its a slam dunk for any of them yet. Aaron Rodgers thought he had a legit shot at going 1 overall and dropped to 26. horsefeathers happens and this group just isn't anything special. Combine that with next years class being looked at as great.....I think we'll be surprised in the end, with where this group ends up being drafted, unless Watson tears up Alabama or there's a special combine performance or two, that I'm not expecting. Mahomes is the guy I expect will get the most buzz and wind up moving up, while Trubisky starts moving down. Throw Allen in and its going to complicate things further for Trubisky.

[FlyTheW]

Welp Kyle Long is going full conspiracy theorist/MAGA bro on Twitter.

[Derwood]

Welp Kyle Long is going full conspiracy theorist/MAGA bro on Twitter.

 

and they say offensive linemen are the smartest guys on the team

[Guest]

Ok, I'll give you Berry as a must, but go find me two stud CBs. FA or draft. You don't need to get Allen in RD 1, I'll concede a strong secondary coupled with our front 7 can be playoff caliber.

 

Go.

You do not need two stud CBs. Thats a pretty unrealistic expectation. If we have two stud CBs and also get any decent depth on the front 7 we better have a top 3 D.

 

 

Well, according to sulley we just need Allen and some bodies in the secondary.

 

But not spitballing: what's realistic (and who) for this offseason? I don't see a formula that gets Fox and Co the wild card. And how do you address the offense besides dreaming of a 2009 Tony Romo?

 

Lol, bodies? Allen and Berry alone make the secondary much better, and it makes the safeties a strength. Throw in King at CB instead of a "body" and you have a formidable defense with a very nasty front seven with capable secondary play.

[Guest]

but anyway, Minny, the bears just need a QB for the offense to work. Maybe another TE or for Miller to be healthy all season. If White can come back and be average and Jeffery re-signs, well....it will be a pretty good group.

 

QB is the toughest spot to fill, but i think a lot of guys could do it behind the Bears line.

 

The only group that is a mess on this team are the DBs, and one of the starters is good. you don't need 4 great dbs, or even 1, you just need a couple average guys, an above average guy and maybe even 1 simply below average guy. Getting Berry gets 2 above average safeties, getting King gets an average CB. So the last guy doesn't even need to be very good, just capable. They could probably fill that spot with Fuller and see how it goes.

[minnesotacubsfan]

but anyway, Minny, the bears just need a QB for the offense to work. Maybe another TE or for Miller to be healthy all season. If White can come back and be average and Jeffery re-signs, well....it will be a pretty good group.

 

QB is the toughest spot to fill, but i think a lot of guys could do it behind the Bears line.

 

The only group that is a mess on this team are the DBs, and one of the starters is good. you don't need 4 great dbs, or even 1, you just need a couple average guys, an above average guy and maybe even 1 simply below average guy. Getting Berry gets 2 above average safeties, getting King gets an average CB. So the last guy doesn't even need to be very good, just capable. They could probably fill that spot with Fuller and see how it goes.

 

 

I agree on the QB being the hitch pin to offensive success to a point. I think our line, albeit potentially solid, is thin. I wouldn't mind Allen in Rd 1, but that would be a huge get. How could SF not take him? I'd look at Tabor even. But if Allen and Garrett go 1-2 (not respectively), are you sure you pass on all the available QBs? I'd probably grab Kizer.

[minnesotacubsfan]

also, are we completely done with Kyle Fuller? next season will effectively be his 3rd in the league. I'm not sure I would count him out

[raw]

I'm starting to open up to the idea of Tyrod Taylor (assuming he's released and can be had for just money) and then drafting a guy like Patrick Mahomes. But that's mainly because I'm falling in love with Mahomes' upside. I'd still rather stay at 3 and take Watson (1A) or Trubisky (1B). But the Bears do need a lot of talent. And if the Bears think they can develop Mahomes from that Air Raid crap he ran at TT, then he could have the most upside in this draft. And if you can have an established QB like Taylor without giving up picks, potentially trade the #3 pick and still get a premium defensive talent (Solomon Thomas, Derek Barnett, Jamal Adams, Malik Hooker) in the top 10 and get a developmental QB.....that'd be an option I'd consider over a QB at 3.

[raw]

also, are we completely done with Kyle Fuller? next season will effectively be his 3rd in the league. I'm not sure I would count him out

 

No reason to be completely done with him. But also shouldn't make him a huge part of your team's plans. Let him come to camp and compete. Best case, he lives up to his first round ability. Worst case, he's not one of your top 6 CBs and you cut/trade him. Doesn't make a ton of money.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm starting to open up to the idea of Tyrod Taylor (assuming he's released and can be had for just money) and then drafting a guy like Patrick Mahomes. But that's mainly because I'm falling in love with Mahomes' upside. I'd still rather stay at 3 and take Watson (1A) or Trubisky (1B). But the Bears do need a lot of talent. And if the Bears think they can develop Mahomes from that Air Raid crap he ran at TT, then he could have the most upside in this draft. And if you can have an established QB like Taylor without giving up picks, potentially trade the #3 pick and still get a premium defensive talent (Solomon Thomas, Derek Barnett, Jamal Adams, Malik Hooker) in the top 10 and get a developmental QB.....that'd be an option I'd consider over a QB at 3.

 

1)Watson would be a huge over-reach at #3 imo

 

2)who would want to trade up to the third pick? It's an honest question

[minnesotacubsfan]

I dont know enough about Taylor to be pos or neg on him. Whats his story? good arm? mobility? does he read the d well? whats his weaknesses?

[Splendid Splinter]

I'm starting to open up to the idea of Tyrod Taylor (assuming he's released and can be had for just money) and then drafting a guy like Patrick Mahomes. But that's mainly because I'm falling in love with Mahomes' upside. I'd still rather stay at 3 and take Watson (1A) or Trubisky (1B). But the Bears do need a lot of talent. And if the Bears think they can develop Mahomes from that Air Raid crap he ran at TT, then he could have the most upside in this draft. And if you can have an established QB like Taylor without giving up picks, potentially trade the #3 pick and still get a premium defensive talent (Solomon Thomas, Derek Barnett, Jamal Adams, Malik Hooker) in the top 10 and get a developmental QB.....that'd be an option I'd consider over a QB at 3.

 

1)Watson would be a huge over-reach at #3 imo

 

2)who would want to trade up to the third pick? It's an honest question

 

On your 2nd part... Jets might move up to get their QB maybe? Then again.. if one of Garrett or Allen is available, I can see multiple teams calling, but not sure if they will offer enough for Bears to move down.

 

I think we're in a great spot in the draft this year. I can't see Browns or 49ers moving so depending on which way the first 2 picks goes, the 3rd pick might be the spot where teams start calling to see if Bears will budge and after seeing Pace trade down a bunch in the 2nd last year, he'll move if the offer is right. Or we stay and get an elite talent.

[Splendid Splinter]

Does anybody know how far will Adoree Jackson fall after his injury? I would love the Bears to get him.