Will Soler have a higher offensive fWAR than Javy's total fWAR

[David]

I was kicking around the question as to whether Soler as a DH would put up more WAR than Baez with his defense, since he (Soler, duh) won't have a chance to hurt you in the field...but I'm not sure how much KC will use Soler at DH vs. RF, so I'm posing it this way. There's also the question as to how much he'll see the field (er, batters box, at least).

 

As for Javy's side, he posted some insane defensive numbers this year...I'm not saying he can't do it again but doing it that well seems like a big ask. Not sure it's sustainable. And he's likely to be less protected offensively with an increased role (in terms of matchups), and subsequently, there's a good chance he'll start to hurt us more offensively.

 

BTW, here's hoping Javy busts out in a big way next year and gets this thread bumped for all the right reasons sometime at midseason, assuming we don't trade him in a package for Archer or Quintana or something.

Edited December 7, 2016 by David

[Sammy Sofa]

I will be more offended by Soler's WAR, yes.

[Sammy Sofa]

Also: the poll options should be yes or no.

[David]

Also: the poll options should be yes or no.

 

The thread title poses it differently, yes, but the poll's title asks it the way the options are presented

[jersey cubs fan]

Also: the poll options should be yes or no.

 

The thread title poses it differently, yes, but the poll's title asks it the way the options are presented

the poll's title doesn't really ask anything

 

 

 

fix this

[David]

Also: the poll options should be yes or no.

 

The thread title poses it differently, yes, but the poll's title asks it the way the options are presented

the poll's title doesn't really ask anything

 

 

 

fix this

 

I knew someone would call me on this. Fixed.

[davell]

What's going to make this thread funny is Javy's oWAR will beat Soler's......

[biittner77]

I've always seen Soler as a modern day version of Kal Daniels- a good player when healthy but never as good or as healthy as he ought to be.

[imb]

Mark Trumbo hit 47 bombs last year and finished with 2.2 WAR. Baez had just 450 PA, walked 3 percent of the time (lol) and finished with 2.7. I'm gonna go with Javy

[Sammy Sofa]

Mark Trumbo hit 47 bombs last year and finished with 2.2 WAR. Baez had just 450 PA, walked 3 percent of the time (lol) and finished with 2.7. I'm gonna go with Javy

 

Yeah, Soler for a while has been the kind of guy who has to hit like a maniac to just offset how much he sucks at everything else besides being so damn handsome. Baez at least brings more than one thing to the table.

[David]

Mark Trumbo hit 47 bombs last year and finished with 2.2 WAR. Baez had just 450 PA, walked 3 percent of the time (lol) and finished with 2.7. I'm gonna go with Javy

 

Yeah, but Trumbo's defense brought that down a lot. We're not counting that. Soler will probably walk more, too.

 

And I don't think Javy can pull off what he did again. That was a freakish and probably flukish defensive contribution.

 

My basic idea here is that Javy had a lot go right (both purposely and accidentally) to get to his WAR total and will be exposed as his role is expanded.

 

I have no idea if what he did defensively is repeatable but I definitely doubt it.

 

(FWIW, I voted Javy, but I think it's a lot closer than this poll result suggests)

[imb]

Mark Trumbo hit 47 bombs last year and finished with 2.2 WAR. Baez had just 450 PA, walked 3 percent of the time (lol) and finished with 2.7. I'm gonna go with Javy

 

Yeah, but Trumbo's defense brought that down a lot. We're not counting that. Soler will probably walk more, too.

 

And I don't think Javy can pull off what he did again. That was a freakish and probably flukish defensive contribution.

 

My basic idea here is that Javy had a lot go right (both purposely and accidentally) to get to his WAR total and will be exposed as his role is expanded.

 

I have no idea if what he did defensively is repeatable but I definitely doubt it.

 

(FWIW, I voted Javy, but I think it's a lot closer than this poll result suggests)

 

Oops, I didn't realize that, i was under the impression trumbo was primarily a DH

[imb]

Searching for guys who were net zeroes on defense last year, I came up with Mike Trout (lol), Johnathan Schoop, and Gregory Polanco

 

Polanco is interesting because his numbers look like what you could hope for from a healthy Soler (.258/.323/.463) and he was worth 2.5 WAR

[David]

Searching for guys who were net zeroes on defense last year, I came up with Mike Trout (lol), Johnathan Schoop, and Gregory Polanco

 

Polanco is interesting because his numbers look like what you could hope for from a healthy Soler (.258/.323/.463) and he was worth 2.5 WAR

 

I'm surprised Polanco was a net zero on defense. Damn. But there you go.

[imb]

Searching for guys who were net zeroes on defense last year, I came up with Mike Trout (lol), Johnathan Schoop, and Gregory Polanco

 

Polanco is interesting because his numbers look like what you could hope for from a healthy Soler (.258/.323/.463) and he was worth 2.5 WAR

 

I'm surprised Polanco was a net zero on defense. Damn. But there you go.

 

And baserunning too

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Polanco was about +7 runs defense and baserunning, the Def value on Fangraphs' dashboard is confusing because it's not a WAR component.

[Banedon]

Who's the 1 that voted for Soler? Speak up.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Who's the 1 that voted for Soler? Speak up.

had to double check to make sure it wasn't me. I love Georgie so so very much but not that much