The Bears offseason

[UMFan83]

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If the Bears are really 'in love' with Elliot as he says, then you can bet they are one of the teams talking with Cleveland. What sneaky posted does make me want him more, but I have a hard time giving up like the Bears 2nd round pick to move up 3 spots.

[David]

booooo trading up too

[UK]

I'm opposed to trading up as well...

 

1a. Laremy Tunsil

1b. Joey Bosa

3. Jalen Ramsey

4. Ezekiel Elliott

5. Ronnie Stanley

6. DeForest Buckner

7. Jack Conklin

8. Myles Jack

 

These are my top 8 and one of them will/should be avail at 11. Even though this a very weak draft, I still would not trade up.

[biittner77]

Each guy had moments, but nothing you couldn't get from a 3rd-4th round guy

 

This about sums up the anti-RB argument and is just meaningless.

 

Sure, you can find it in a 3rd - 4th round guy. You can find a Hall of Fame QB in the 6th and HOF defensive end in the 8th if it still existed. You can find pro bowl qbs in grocery store aisles as well.

 

It's not about whether or not you can theoretically get the same production later. Your list is an argument against taking multiple RBs in the first round every year. It's not an argument against a RB being worthy of the 11th pick of the draft.

I can't find it, but there was a recent article finding that RBs aren't that much different than every other position in that the elite are typically found in the first round and there's not a lot of value in RBs taken in the middle rounds (although there's value in the 6/7 round and UDFA).

 

Teams should never be afraid to take the best player available regardless of position.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

This about sums up the anti-RB argument and is just meaningless.

 

Sure, you can find it in a 3rd - 4th round guy. You can find a Hall of Fame QB in the 6th and HOF defensive end in the 8th if it still existed. You can find pro bowl qbs in grocery store aisles as well.

 

It's not about whether or not you can theoretically get the same production later. Your list is an argument against taking multiple RBs in the first round every year. It's not an argument against a RB being worthy of the 11th pick of the draft.

I can't find it, but there was a recent article finding that RBs aren't that much different than every other position in that the elite are typically found in the first round and there's not a lot of value in RBs taken in the middle rounds (although there's value in the 6/7 round and UDFA).

 

Teams should never be afraid to take the best player available regardless of position.

Yea about the only exception is a QB if you already have a long term established guy and its an early (1st or high second) pick, then you better be shopping that pick.

[biittner77]

Or a kicker but that never happens.

[WrigleyField 22]

Eh depends how good you are at evaluating talent, Jankowski was probably one of the Raiders better picks for many years, lol.

[Derwood]

Will Zeke even be on the board at #8?

[WrigleyField 22]

Will Zeke even be on the board at #8?

Depends if Jerry's underlings convince him otherwise or not.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'm opposed to trading up as well...

 

1a. Laremy Tunsil

1b. Joey Bosa

3. Jalen Ramsey

4. Ezekiel Elliott

5. Ronnie Stanley

6. DeForest Buckner

7. Jack Conklin

8. Myles Jack

 

These are my top 8 and one of them will/should be avail at 11. Even though this a very weak draft, I still would not trade up.

This is a good list. I would add Leonard Floyd @ 9. I'm not enthused about Shaq Lawson. Caveat: I don't really know what I'm talking about.

 

I also don't like the trade up since I feel that the draft is mostly a crap shoot and trading many picks for a single pick is unlikely to work out.

[UMFan83]

I don't know what I'm talking about either but from what I've read about Lawson, he's a high floor, low ceiling guy. I'd rather take a gamble and pick someone with an all-pro ceiling.

[David]

If it's a defensive guy, I'll trust Fox/Fangio. I have no idea on any of these college dudes. Unless there's just some standout athletic freak that everyone knows about, I just have positional preferences when it comes to the draft and that's about it.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't know what I'm talking about either but from what I've read about Lawson, he's a high floor, low ceiling guy. I'd rather take a gamble and pick someone with an all-pro ceiling.

I don't think low ceiling is that fair of an assessment.

[Chocolate Milk]

I don't know what I'm talking about either but from what I've read about Lawson, he's a high floor, low ceiling guy. I'd rather take a gamble and pick someone with an all-pro ceiling.

The extent of my scouting is watching a 5 minute highlight video of him last night, but I would concur. I like Floyd better (after watching a 4 minute highlight video of him this morning).

[Chocolate Milk]

If it's a defensive guy, I'll trust Fox/Fangio. I have no idea on any of these college dudes. Unless there's just some standout athletic freak that everyone knows about, I just have positional preferences when it comes to the draft and that's about it.

This is mostly how I look at it. I have guys I like but recognize almost no one knows how this is going to turn out so I don't really get too bent about them picking someone else. I'll be optimistic about anyone they pick because it's more fun that way.

[tfarks]

I'd be thrilled with Lawson. Production, all-around game, proven against top competition like Stanley. And Floyd's athleticism is raved about but Lawson is a beast as well:

 

4.62-second 40-yard dash, a 1.63-second 10-yard split, a 4.12-second short shuttle, and a 7.16-second three-cone drill. He also jumped 33 inches in the vertical leap and 10 feet in the broad jump

 

As someone who is perpetually under-informed on the draft, I'm hoping for Lawson and eager to be proven wrong with anybody else. Floyd appears to me that he'll be taken out of the majority of plays, but scheme is such a big factor as well, and Fangio is as trustworthy as you're gonna get in that department.

[JonJayCutler]

I prefer Lawson over Floyd as well, but I'd take all of Buckner, Elliott, Jack, Stanley, and maybe Conklin over both. At least one of those guys will be there at 11.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'd be thrilled with Lawson. Production, all-around game, proven against top competition like Stanley. And Floyd's athleticism is raved about but Lawson is a beast as well:

 

4.62-second 40-yard dash, a 1.63-second 10-yard split, a 4.12-second short shuttle, and a 7.16-second three-cone drill. He also jumped 33 inches in the vertical leap and 10 feet in the broad jump

 

As someone who is perpetually under-informed on the draft, I'm hoping for Lawson and eager to be proven wrong with anybody else. Floyd appears to me that he'll be taken out of the majority of plays, but scheme is such a big factor as well, and Fangio is as trustworthy as you're gonna get in that department.

Those combine numbers are impressive and I do trust Fangio to find the right guys. I retract my Lawson criticism.

[WrigleyField 22]

I prefer Lawson over Floyd as well, but I'd take all of Buckner, Elliott, Jack, Stanley, and maybe Conklin over both. At least one of those guys will be there at 11.

I'm still a little scared of Jack's knee and wavering on Stanley, but I feel about the same.

[Guest]

PFF: Ezekiel Elliott was able to complete the perfect pass blocking season as a running back. He didn’t allow a sack, hit or even a hurry on 103 pass blocking snaps.

 

this is more interesting than his other numbers.

[David]

PFF: Ezekiel Elliott was able to complete the perfect pass blocking season as a running back. He didn’t allow a sack, hit or even a hurry on 103 pass blocking snaps.

 

this is more interesting than his other numbers.

 

Agreed

[WrigleyField 22]

Will this man be the newest/sexiest Chicago Bear?

 

[minnesotacubsfan]

Ur tweet didn't tweet

[jersey cubs fan]

it tweeted in my eyes

[minnesotacubsfan]

Ohhhhhhhh now it did