2015 Bears training camp

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Is it really dumb to want the Bears to take a flier on RG3? With the right coaching and better personnel I think he could work out of his issues.

 

I know Washington is trying to cut him to get out of his 5th year salary, so I don't think the money is an issue. If he's cut, I don't think you have to take on his 2015 salary. It's probably not worth it from a PR standpoint. Not that RG3 is a bad person, he just has a bad rep with the media.....kinda like the QB the Bears already have.

[Sammy Sofa]

Seems very debatable that the Bears have either.

 

Not so, as far as the coaching staff goes. Jay Gruden is awful. I would also argue that as bad as our Oline looks so far, it's still better then the Skins Oline.

 

I don't think it's necessarily the smartest move to dump a problem like RG3 on a brand new coaching staff. He makes Cutler look like a dream.

[Guest]

Seems very debatable that the Bears have either.

 

Not so, as far as the coaching staff goes. Jay Gruden is awful. I would also argue that as bad as our Oline looks so far, it's still better then the Skins Oline.

 

I don't think it's necessarily the smartest move to dump a problem like RG3 on a brand new coaching staff. He makes Cutler look like a dream.

 

eh, Cutler hasn't really had any behavioral issues, so it's unfair to compare him to RGIII. However, I think the point is that RGIII HAS shown leadership qualities whereas Cutler doesn't really ever. Funnel the leadership qualities into something positive rather than something selfish and negative, and you could be on to something.

[Guest]

what leadership qualities? his teammates seem to hate him even more than cutler's are indifferent about him.

[Guest]

he's often insightful, well-spoken, and charismatic. when he does interviews, he says things, which is sometimes a problem, and sometimes a positive.

 

I can see how that could be viewed negatively in the locker room around your average meathead player, though.

[Sammy Sofa]

sulley, I don't have a clue where you're getting this from; literally everyone working around him can't stand him. Granted, the Redskins are a horrible organization, but even then, if you're essentially despised from the water boy on up to the owner (who LOVED YOU and is now willing to cast you aside), then no, you don't have "leadership ability." He's shown zero ability to adapt in any way from the injuries that hobbled him and struggles with anything much more complicated than a high school playbook. A couple season ago I was intrigued by the idea, but I think he's an obvious lost cause at this point. I'd be stunned if he ever panned out as more than a backup.

[Banedon]

Apparently practice today was quite testy, with multiple skirmishes between players, the most intense between Martellus and David Bass.

[mul21]

Seriously, you're talking about a guy who basically said he wasn't playing well because his teammates sucked. That's pretty much the opposite of leadership.

[Guest]

Apparently practice today was quite testy, with multiple skirmishes between players, the most intense between Martellus and David Bass.

What? Martellus testy with a defensive player?

 

Just go catch 90 balls again.

[Guest]

Seriously, you're talking about a guy who basically said he wasn't playing well because his teammates sucked. That's pretty much the opposite of leadership.

 

Holy crap, I said "leadership qualities" that could potentially be harnessed for good rather than evil. Leaders can be narcissistic when not developed properly.

[Sammy Sofa]

Great, so not only would they have to try and rebuild his physical ability and his ability to handle an NFL playbook, both of which have degraded to depressingly bad levels, but they would also get to be tasked with "harnessing" his non-existent "leadership qualities?" Holy hell, anything else they could work on?

[Guest]

Great, so not only would they have to try and rebuild his physical ability and his ability to handle an NFL playbook, both of which have degraded to depressingly bad levels, but they would also get to be tasked with "harnessing" his non-existent "leadership qualities?" Holy hell, anything else they could work on?

 

the non-existent part was a bit much. if you were building a straw man, i never said they were non-existent, that was your interjection. your meatball epidermis is showing.

[Guest]

the guy's like 2 years removed from a 102.5 rating and he's only 25. i wouldn't put the washed up tag on him just yet.

[Sammy Sofa]

Uh, yes, clearly I was the one saying they're non-existent, because they are. You essentially want them to rebuild this guy from the ground up now that he's all but a bust on almost every possible level, and your one argument as to why you think he'd be a good leader is....he's good in interviews.

[mul21]

the guy's like 2 years removed from a 102.5 rating and he's only 25. i wouldn't put the washed up tag on him just yet.

 

Yeah, while he was healthy and running a style of offense that isn't sustainable in the NFL if you want your QB actually upright and in the lineup. He's toast.

[Guest]

Uh, yes, clearly I was the one saying they're non-existent, because they are. You essentially want them to rebuild this guy from the ground up now that he's all but a bust on almost every possible level, and your one argument as to why you think he'd be a good leader is....he's good in interviews.

 

i think it's a quality, and the quality of being good in interviews isn't such a specific talent that's only good for interviews. i love when you bury your head in the sand, especially when you're implying that the bears would be risking it all by giving him a shot.

 

Basically, you think

 

1. Griffin's ability to speak is only good for interviews.

2. Developing him would make the bears terrible, even though they're unwatchable now.

3. Developing a leader is going to require some kind of lengthy and intensive program of tough love and sleepless nights holding his hair as he pukes in the halas hall toilet

 

when he's allowed to run, he's an exciting player, meathheads can get behind that. when things have one bad for him, they've gone very bad, but that can change.

[Guest]

the guy's like 2 years removed from a 102.5 rating and he's only 25. i wouldn't put the washed up tag on him just yet.

 

Yeah, while he was healthy and running a style of offense that isn't sustainable in the NFL if you want your QB actually upright and in the lineup. He's toast.

 

it's plenty sustainable, it's what the seahawks do.

[Sammy Sofa]

Uh, yes, clearly I was the one saying they're non-existent, because they are. You essentially want them to rebuild this guy from the ground up now that he's all but a bust on almost every possible level, and your one argument as to why you think he'd be a good leader is....he's good in interviews.

 

i think it's a quality, and the quality of being good in interviews isn't such a specific talent that's only good for interviews. i love when you bury your head in the sand, especially when you're implying that the bears would be risking it all by giving him a shot.

 

Basically, you think

 

1. Griffin's ability to speak is only good for interviews.

2. Developing him would make the bears terrible, even though they're unwatchable now.

3. Developing a leader is going to require some kind of lengthy and intensive program of tough love and sleepless nights holding his hair as he pukes in the halas hall toilet

 

when he's allowed to run, he's an exciting player, meathheads can get behind that. when things have one bad for him, they've gone very bad, but that can change.

 

No, I think trying to develop him as anything besides a backup would be a waste of time and money. I have absolutely no interest as to when and where and how he's a good speaker. He physically cannot play the position; it's not a matter of "allowing" him to run. He can't run like he did when he showed up, and he's shown that without that ability he's an unremarkable passing QB at BEST.

Edited September 2, 2015 by Sammy Sofa

[Sammy Sofa]

the guy's like 2 years removed from a 102.5 rating and he's only 25. i wouldn't put the washed up tag on him just yet.

 

Yeah, while he was healthy and running a style of offense that isn't sustainable in the NFL if you want your QB actually upright and in the lineup. He's toast.

 

it's plenty sustainable, it's what the seahawks do.

 

Because Russell Wilson is better and not hobbled. But other than that, sure, it could be the same thing!

[Guest]

then we disagree. i still think he'll be a very good starting qb again. jay gruden is not the guy to do it, though.

[Sammy Sofa]

Gruden is a monster, we can agree on that.

[jersey cubs fan]

the guy's like 2 years removed from a 102.5 rating and he's only 25. i wouldn't put the washed up tag on him just yet.

 

Yeah, while he was healthy and running a style of offense that isn't sustainable in the NFL if you want your QB actually upright and in the lineup. He's toast.

 

it's plenty sustainable, it's what the seahawks do.

Wilson has been in the league for 3 years. Vick also had a couple 3 year runs in his career. That's not plenty sustainable, especially when a guy has already been injured multiple times. If you're attempting 100+ runs a year as a QB, you are asking for punishment.

[jersey cubs fan]

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Is this the 12th Tight End they've acquired this year?

[JonJayCutler]

A 6th rounder for an UDFA TE from Div II? And still no help at WR/DL/S

 

Warranted or not, I'm hating me some Ryan Pace so far.

[Banedon]

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Is this the 12th Tight End they've acquired this year?

 

The offensive line is going to be all TE's.