Prospect #15 Runoff!!!

[Tim]

Pick the winner

[ctcf]

Vote SANDS you garbage people

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

sands is a pitcher smart guy

[Guest]

Vote SANDS you garbage people

f pitchers

[Guest]

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

[Guest]

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

Justify "sucks". He's Billy Butler with a much better walk rate and raw power.

 

You're going to be really happy he's on our team once the DH is in the NL.

[Guest]

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

Justify "sucks". He's Billy Butler with a much better walk rate and raw power.

 

You're going to be really happy he's on our team once the DH is in the NL.

 

Pretty sure we can find someone to do nothing but hit who is a better hitter than him.

[Guest]

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

Justify "sucks". He's Billy Butler with a much better walk rate and raw power.

 

You're going to be really happy he's on our team once the DH is in the NL.

 

Pretty sure we can find someone to do nothing but hit who is a better hitter than him.

At what cost do you think you'll find someone to DH with:

 

- a walk rate around 12%

- a k rate around 16% (should keep the batting average decent)

- 20 HR current power (162 game schedule)

- 30+ HR future power

 

Really, the only significant question in that list is the future power. Nobody questions the raw power is already there. The only question is if he can make a swing adjustment without losing the first two items in the list. At this point, he's basically an almost-no-risk bet to hit in the bigs.

 

Sands is...a pitcher. A very young pitcher who has yet to come close to proving he can stay healthy for multiple rotation years in a row, let alone get advanced hitters out.

[Clem Fandango]

Vogelbach is not a bad hitter. He's not Bryant or Schwarber or others in our ridiculous stable of hitting prospects, but he's a top bat in a crap load of other farm systems, which is a testament to the Cubs depth.

[Guest]

I did a quick search and found the following players in 2014 who managed 20 hr, >= 11.5% walk rate and <= 16% strikeout rate:

 

Jose Bautista

Edwin Encarnacion

David Ortiz

 

 

People are way, way underestimating Vogelbach.

[Guest]

Put it another way...His worst minor league wOBA is .363. That would tie him with Justin Upton for 23rd in the majors.

[Guest]

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

Justify "sucks". He's Billy Butler with a much better walk rate and raw power.

 

You're going to be really happy he's on our team once the DH is in the NL.

 

Pretty sure we can find someone to do nothing but hit who is a better hitter than him.

At what cost do you think you'll find someone to DH with:

 

- a walk rate around 12%

- a k rate around 16% (should keep the batting average decent)

- 20 HR current power (162 game schedule)

- 30+ HR future power

 

Really, the only significant question in that list is the future power. Nobody questions the raw power is already there. The only question is if he can make a swing adjustment without losing the first two items in the list. At this point, he's basically an almost-no-risk bet to hit in the bigs.

 

Sands is...a pitcher. A very young pitcher who has yet to come close to proving he can stay healthy for multiple rotation years in a row, let alone get advanced hitters out.

 

he can barely hit HR at that clip (20) in the minors

 

hard to say this early, but i think even if schwarber was able to stick at C, if the DH came to the NL they'd at least give him a lot of games there, and i think they'd go with a better defensive catcher. who knows, though.

 

what i do know is that vogelbach isn't nearly a good enough hitter for someone who literally has no position and no athleticism to offer any other sort of value beyond his hitting.

[Guest]

The only reason to vote for Carson Sands is SNT syndrome.

[Guest]

he can barely hit HR at that clip (20) in the minors

Clarification: He barely hit that many HR in the FSL at age 21. He was top 5 in HR in the league and the only player at age 21 in the top 8. His HR per 162 in his two previous years were 45.1 and 25.4.

what i do know is that vogelbach isn't nearly a good enough hitter for someone who literally has no position and no athleticism to offer any other sort of value beyond his hitting.

plus, see other stats above. It's like you don't know the current offensive era.

[sneakypower]

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

Justify "sucks". He's Billy Butler with a much better walk rate and raw power.

 

You're going to be really happy he's on our team once the DH is in the NL.

 

Pretty sure we can find someone to do nothing but hit who is a better hitter than him.

At what cost do you think you'll find someone to DH with:

 

- a walk rate around 12%

- a k rate around 16% (should keep the batting average decent)

- 20 HR current power (162 game schedule)

- 30+ HR future power

 

Really, the only significant question in that list is the future power. Nobody questions the raw power is already there. The only question is if he can make a swing adjustment without losing the first two items in the list. At this point, he's basically an almost-no-risk bet to hit in the bigs.

 

Sands is...a pitcher. A very young pitcher who has yet to come close to proving he can stay healthy for multiple rotation years in a row, let alone get advanced hitters out.

i agree with most of this but i have a problem with Billy Butler comparisons because he was a monster in the minors

[Clem Fandango]

Prospect spoils. Our absurd hitting prospects are the exception, not the rule. Vogelbach is a probably Top 10 prospect in half of MLB's farm systems today. Just because we have hitters that will destroy the planet with their dong power, doesn't mean Vogelbach is a bad hitter. He's an exceptional hitter for his age and level. He does nearly everything right at the plate that you want in a hitting prospect. He has power, patience, and contact skills. Just because they don't match Bryant, Soler, Russell, or Schwarber's skill set does not make him a bad hitter. He's a very good hitter.

 

If you want to dock him points for his defensive/positional deficiencies, that's fair and you most certainly can, but he's not a bad hitter and to think so is narrow minded.

[Guest]

he can barely hit HR at that clip (20) in the minors

Clarification: He barely hit that many HR in the FSL at age 21. He was top 5 in HR in the league and the only player at age 21 in the top 8. His HR per 162 in his two previous years were 45.1 and 25.4.

what i do know is that vogelbach isn't nearly a good enough hitter for someone who literally has no position and no athleticism to offer any other sort of value beyond his hitting.

plus, see other stats above. It's like you don't know the current offensive era.

 

we are going to be printing money. just sign joey votto to DH if schwarber at C happens. [expletive] this fatso.

[Guest]

Prospect spoils. Our absurd hitting prospects are the exception, not the rule. Vogelbach is a probably Top 10 prospect in half of MLB's farm systems today. Just because we have hitters that will destroy the planet with their dong power, doesn't mean Vogelbach is a bad hitter. He's an exceptional hitter for his age and level. He does nearly everything right at the plate that you want in a hitting prospect. He has power, patience, and contact skills. Just because they don't match Bryant, Soler, Russell, or Schwarber's skill set does not make him a bad hitter. He's a very good hitter.

 

If you want to dock him points for his defensive/positional deficiencies, that's fair and you most certainly can, but he's not a bad hitter and to think so is narrow minded.

 

eh when he offers less than zero positionally and less than zero baserunning wise i think the age/level qualifiers are more than offset.

[Clem Fandango]

Prospect spoils. Our absurd hitting prospects are the exception, not the rule. Vogelbach is a probably Top 10 prospect in half of MLB's farm systems today. Just because we have hitters that will destroy the planet with their dong power, doesn't mean Vogelbach is a bad hitter. He's an exceptional hitter for his age and level. He does nearly everything right at the plate that you want in a hitting prospect. He has power, patience, and contact skills. Just because they don't match Bryant, Soler, Russell, or Schwarber's skill set does not make him a bad hitter. He's a very good hitter.

 

If you want to dock him points for his defensive/positional deficiencies, that's fair and you most certainly can, but he's not a bad hitter and to think so is narrow minded.

 

eh when he offers zero positionally and less than zero baserunning wise i think the age/level qualifiers are more than offset.

 

That's fine to offer and indisputable at this point in his minor league career, but your initial point was he was not that good of a hitter, and that's not true.

[Guest]

Prospect spoils. Our absurd hitting prospects are the exception, not the rule. Vogelbach is a probably Top 10 prospect in half of MLB's farm systems today. Just because we have hitters that will destroy the planet with their dong power, doesn't mean Vogelbach is a bad hitter. He's an exceptional hitter for his age and level. He does nearly everything right at the plate that you want in a hitting prospect. He has power, patience, and contact skills. Just because they don't match Bryant, Soler, Russell, or Schwarber's skill set does not make him a bad hitter. He's a very good hitter.

 

If you want to dock him points for his defensive/positional deficiencies, that's fair and you most certainly can, but he's not a bad hitter and to think so is narrow minded.

 

eh when he offers zero positionally and less than zero baserunning wise i think the age/level qualifiers are more than offset.

 

That's fine to offer and indisputable at this point in his minor league career, but your initial point was he was not that good of a hitter, and that's not true.

 

thought i mentioned the context (for a guy who can only hit and do nothing else) in each post but maybe I missed one.

[Guest]

Prospect spoils. Our absurd hitting prospects are the exception, not the rule. Vogelbach is a probably Top 10 prospect in half of MLB's farm systems today. Just because we have hitters that will destroy the planet with their dong power, doesn't mean Vogelbach is a bad hitter. He's an exceptional hitter for his age and level. He does nearly everything right at the plate that you want in a hitting prospect. He has power, patience, and contact skills. Just because they don't match Bryant, Soler, Russell, or Schwarber's skill set does not make him a bad hitter. He's a very good hitter.

 

If you want to dock him points for his defensive/positional deficiencies, that's fair and you most certainly can, but he's not a bad hitter and to think so is narrow minded.

 

eh when he offers less than zero positionally and less than zero baserunning wise i think the age/level qualifiers are more than offset.

Which is why he deserves to be the #15 prospect and not the #6 or #7 prospect.

[Guest]

Prospect spoils. Our absurd hitting prospects are the exception, not the rule. Vogelbach is a probably Top 10 prospect in half of MLB's farm systems today. Just because we have hitters that will destroy the planet with their dong power, doesn't mean Vogelbach is a bad hitter. He's an exceptional hitter for his age and level. He does nearly everything right at the plate that you want in a hitting prospect. He has power, patience, and contact skills. Just because they don't match Bryant, Soler, Russell, or Schwarber's skill set does not make him a bad hitter. He's a very good hitter.

 

If you want to dock him points for his defensive/positional deficiencies, that's fair and you most certainly can, but he's not a bad hitter and to think so is narrow minded.

 

eh when he offers zero positionally and less than zero baserunning wise i think the age/level qualifiers are more than offset.

 

That's fine to offer and indisputable at this point in his minor league career, but your initial point was he was not that good of a hitter, and that's not true.

 

thought i mentioned the context (for a guy who can only hit and do nothing else) in each post but maybe I missed one.

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

[Guest]

Prospect spoils. Our absurd hitting prospects are the exception, not the rule. Vogelbach is a probably Top 10 prospect in half of MLB's farm systems today. Just because we have hitters that will destroy the planet with their dong power, doesn't mean Vogelbach is a bad hitter. He's an exceptional hitter for his age and level. He does nearly everything right at the plate that you want in a hitting prospect. He has power, patience, and contact skills. Just because they don't match Bryant, Soler, Russell, or Schwarber's skill set does not make him a bad hitter. He's a very good hitter.

 

If you want to dock him points for his defensive/positional deficiencies, that's fair and you most certainly can, but he's not a bad hitter and to think so is narrow minded.

 

eh when he offers zero positionally and less than zero baserunning wise i think the age/level qualifiers are more than offset.

 

That's fine to offer and indisputable at this point in his minor league career, but your initial point was he was not that good of a hitter, and that's not true.

 

thought i mentioned the context (for a guy who can only hit and do nothing else) in each post but maybe I missed one.

I haven't voted in a bit but I refuse to let Vogelbach win something. Guy sucks.

 

well yeah, i didn't say anything specifically about why he sucks in that post.

[Guest]

I did a quick search and found the following players in 2014 who managed 20 hr, >= 11.5% walk rate and <= 16% strikeout rate:

 

Jose Bautista

Edwin Encarnacion

David Ortiz

 

 

People are way, way underestimating Vogelbach.

Ran this again with more wiggle room for performance: 20+ HR, >= 10% BB, <= 18% K

 

Andrew McCutchen

Jose Bautista

Victor Martinez

Matt Holliday

Edwin Encarnacion

David Ortiz

[Guest]

When Vogelbach is actually those things and there's actually a DH in the NL, I'll overlook the everything else that makes me not like him.