Week #7

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It's not about how many starters are going. It's a question of who is on your bench.

 

I had Smyly on my bench (a 3rd RP) which I obviously couldn't put in the lineup. And I had 2 hitters on the bench. So if I didn't want Cingrani's points, I had to have 4 on the bench. Would also be a problem if you have 3 hitters on the bench and have to sit a pitcher.

 

Someone else posted in the live chat that they were going to have to do the same thing. Clint, I think.

 

ETA - yep, it was Bazingas. He has 3 hitters on the bench, and put a SP on the bench to stay under 7 starts. So he had a 4-man bench on the 18th and 19th (maybe more). If he lost all his points those days, they should be added back. 88 seems pretty damn low.

 

Yep. He didn't get credit for Medlan's start on the 18th or Felix's start on the 19th. That matchup might be different if he doesn't lose all his points despite having a legal roster.

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i don't think i can recall a situation where i've ever had to overflow my bench to avoid going over my starts. i guess i figured it wasn't that common. wouldn't it require a pretty crazy amount of starters going on the same day?

Or keeping your bench full of relievers & position players.

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It just seems like a lot of these decisions are made because you get pissed off about something that happens. "Hey, somebody thought there was a 6-man bench, [expletive] that I'll make everything illegal".

 

As for my situation, like I said I'll take the lost points. Doesn't matter to me. But I thought I dropped Locke before the week when I knew Garza would be back. I typically only deal with this league via my phone app (actually haven't sat down to my actual laptop for more than 20 minutes total in 2 weeks). And the app doesn't tell me the lineup is illegal until I go into it again. Didn't realize until Friday that I wasn't getting points since Wednesday. Then by the time I dropped Locke, the Cubs game had already started and I lost Friday's points too.

 

Hell, I won't get any points today because I claimed Arod to stash on the DL and CBS put him into my lineup (giving me 2 starting 3B) and since I'm going from 6am til lunchtime, I didn't change my lineup until a game had already started.

 

The spirit of the rules are OK, the enforcement of them is (like everything you say and do) over the top. The league has been around for 10 years but things have changed every year. This forum doesn't match the "real" rules. The CBS website doesn't match the forum. The answer to someone who doesn't know the rules isn't to start taking points away because they should've known. It's to clarify the rule. I know you don't want to do that, but that's the role of a commissioner.

 

Again, my situation is different. I'm not trying to get my points back. But I do think it's obvious I wasn't trying to pull one over by holding onto Jeff [expletive] Locke. As crappy as it sounds, it's going to have to be a case by case basis. And if you are setting the league up to take away points on all situations. Of course it's going to be a pain in your ass to keep changing stats, but that's on you for setting it up that way.

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What has abuck done that's over the top? Having case by case rules is just a recipe for disaster.

 

And come on. Juan knew the rule. Maybe he accidentally had an extra guy twice in 3 weeks but the active roster limit hasn't changed at all. If he really thought the roster limit was now 25, why only have 20? And why would you think every other team was playing 6-men short? And wouldn't you have figured it out when you got penalized for having an extra two weeks earlier? And why wouldn't you start the season and play every week with a larger bench if you thought that was the limit?

 

Yes I think there can be explanation when a person breaks the rules. And there has been. I asked a lot of questions last year and got a lot of answers (not always consistent). Sneaky has asked me some questions this year and I've tried to help Minny too. But you can't abandon the rules when someone accidentally breaks them or there's no incentive to pay attention to the rules.

 

If your situation is such that you only check the league on mobile and once a week then that sucks and it's pretty risky. I also think it's easier to say "hey, I added arod who is on the DL and couldn't move him there before games started" and abuck can fix your points today rather than trying to make changes when no one knew you had tried to drop Locke until well after the fact.

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You don't think not allowing points at all for a 4-man bench is a brash, over-the-top decision? Missing your first pick if you didn't pay by a certain day was over-the-top.

 

And automatically taking away points for a 4-man bench is making it a case by case basis. Because like your situation had to be reviewed to show you were just trying to avoid going over 7 starts.

 

Anyway, I wasn't talking about Juan's situation specifically, just speaking in general terms. The biggest issue with this league for the last 3-4 years has been that half the league checks their team for a few minutes every day. The other half doesn't check as much. But the half that doesn't check as much constantly receives bitching from the ones that do. This is supposed to be fun. But all that is ever done is people bitching about the rules (how, where and why) and bitching about why people aren't active. It's why the turnover rate in this league has increased every year for the last 5 years. And [expletive] like this isn't helping.

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I would have preferred that the 4-man bench not be deemed illegal in response to Juan's situation. But abuck didn't take the points away, he just changed the system settings. I don't envy him bc the system is the worst one I've ever used for fantasy baseball and the rules of this league are more complex than any I've seen. Not a good combo. I don't think his decisions on how to manage those issues have been brash or warranted an attack on him as a person. I think he's done fine (btw-no one lost a first round pick even though not everyone paid by his deadline).

 

I guess I don't understand the appeal of being in a league you check for a few seconds once a week. If you don't want to check most every day, what's the point? But I understand not everyone is like that. However if you're going to check in once a week, I think you have to accept the risks that your team may be screwed up for days at a time and you'll have to accept the penalty. And FYI I don't know who is or isn't active by your terms, but I bitched when my legal lineup got penalized and it was fixed. The other 2 that have bitched recently were you and Juan, both apparently on the less active side. If you both just said "oops, my team was screwed up and I didn't fix it for a few days, I'll take the stated penalty without complaints" then there would be no issue. You started there but have gone on to complain about being penalized. Juan started bitching and got pissed at everyone else for not sending him a message (the several posts in chat and here weren't enough - we are supposed to do more I guess).

 

That's really been what's struck me about this league. There are rules and penalties. If you break the rule, you get the penalty. There's some leniency (like I assume you'll get points today bc you alerted everyone to the ARod error right away). But when someone screws up the first thing they do is bitch about the rule, then ask for an exception bc they play far, then they sometimes even complain about others not doing more. The "drop a player when you add one" is so basic that I don't understand why it's so often broken. If you aren't active, sign up for the email alerts so you know when you have a player added by waiver claim or whatever.

 

It should be fun. If people accepted some responsibility and didn't complain when they make a mistake and have to pay the price everyone else pays, there would be much less bitching.

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I would have preferred that the 4-man bench not be deemed illegal in response to Juan's situation. But abuck didn't take the points away, he just changed the system settings. I don't envy him bc the system is the worst one I've ever used for fantasy baseball and the rules of this league are more complex than any I've seen. Not a good combo. I don't think his decisions on how to manage those issues have been brash or warranted an attack on him as a person. I think he's done fine (btw-no one lost a first round pick even though not everyone paid by his deadline).

 

I guess I don't understand the appeal of being in a league you check for a few seconds once a week. If you don't want to check most every day, what's the point? But I understand not everyone is like that. However if you're going to check in once a week, I think you have to accept the risks that your team may be screwed up for days at a time and you'll have to accept the penalty. And FYI I don't know who is or isn't active by your terms, but I bitched when my legal lineup got penalized and it was fixed. The other 2 that have bitched recently were you and Juan, both apparently on the less active side. If you both just said "oops, my team was screwed up and I didn't fix it for a few days, I'll take the stated penalty without complaints" then there would be no issue. You started there but have gone on to complain about being penalized. Juan started bitching and got pissed at everyone else for not sending him a message (the several posts in chat and here weren't enough - we are supposed to do more I guess).

 

That's really been what's struck me about this league. There are rules and penalties. If you break the rule, you get the penalty. There's some leniency (like I assume you'll get points today bc you alerted everyone to the ARod error right away). But when someone screws up the first thing they do is bitch about the rule, then ask for an exception bc they play far, then they sometimes even complain about others not doing more. The "drop a player when you add one" is so basic that I don't understand why it's so often broken. If you aren't active, sign up for the email alerts so you know when you have a player added by waiver claim or whatever.

 

It should be fun. If people accepted some responsibility and didn't complain when they make a mistake and have to pay the price everyone else pays, there would be much less bitching.

 

First of all, I'm as active as any manager in this league. Secondly, first thing I did is ask the question did I not get points because of that. I didn't bitch first. I don't think I really did for myself personally. Even said on several occassions I'm fine with losing the points. My gripe is with how things were/are handled. It just so happens the first time I've ever had an illegal lineup in 10 years as a manager, I was inactive for a couple days. And actually I checked my scores on Thursday night and assumed those scores were fine because I didn't check the lineup part of the site. My point in even bringing [expletive] up was to point out if the problem is people adding players and not dropping one....isn't an easier solution to change the settings so this is NOT allowed? I was in another CBS league up until this year and we had roster maxes. If you tried to add a player without dropping one, you couldn't.

 

And Adam has a nice little history with this league and website. His brashness has driven people away from the league and turned various others off. So forgive me if I don't give him the benefit of the doubt especially after he answered me with smart ass comments (the way he responds to every post in every forum on this site and has for years).

 

The problem is you (and others) think "hey, I can manage my team why can't you?". Life happens. Nobody started this season thinking, "I only have a few seconds a week to check". Everybody fully intended on fully managing their team I'm pretty sure. But [expletive] has happened (as it does every year) where they haven't been able to do so.

 

The only thing worse than people bitching is people bitching about bitching.

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Really, I was just stupid due to too much else going on. Just remember that its a lot easier to criticize the commish than to be the commish. Show some patience and things work out fairly.

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Haha. Ok. First, I said you didn't start bitching but said "oops guess I'll take the penalty." Then after several posts it turned into bitching. I said Juan started with bitching.

 

There's no problem with me concerning how others manage. Minny has been mostly absent and I know it's work/life reasons. I'm aware it happens. I don't care about [expletive] coming up in life. Manage your team actively or not. Isn't my concern. The problem isn't me (or adam).

 

I know adam's history. I've been on the site nearly a decade. I've read many of the posts on this forum which crack me up. Abuck can be brash. Some people also overreact. Not sure that's his fault. I don't personally care if you hate him or love him, I just thought calling him out when he volunteered to be commish and has been an active, fair commish is a tad over the top.

 

Finally, I'm glad you've been in the league 10 years. I'm sincere in that. That's a cool thing. It'd be great if this league were still active and fun in 10 years. But having a good record as a manager for 10 years doesn't entitle you to an exception from the rules. You made a mistake and the system is hard to use. That sucks. But you don't earn exemptions after so many years. You get the penalty and move on.

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I think the point of talking about the time in the league is that we've got a pretty good idea that DJ isn't someone who tries to work around the rules. So we can generally assume that if his roster has an issue, it is likely an honest mistake that he'll fix if someone lets him know about the problem.

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I know. Juan said the same thing. But that doesn't mean the mistake should be treated differently than anyone else's mistake. Why would truffle or me or sneaky get penalized for making the same mistake you or raw or Juan made?

 

I think if everyone knew coming in that rules applied differently to original or longtime members than new managers, you'd have a hard time filling those spots.

 

Maybe the issue is I'm starting from the baseline of "all violations are unintentional mistakes and should be treated the same." Am I the only one that assumes that? Or are you skeptical that new guys are going to try to scam the league so they should have to face penalties that other members don't? I don't think that's the idea. I think people just don't like being penalized so they want the rules to not apply to them when they make a mistake.

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You don't think not allowing points at all for a 4-man bench is a brash, over-the-top decision?

 

what do you suggest being the penalty? please tell me, i'd love to hear a suggestion. no, i don't think you tried to game the system by keeping jeff [expletive] locke, but you DID have too many players on your roster. should there just be no penalty? or every time it happens i have to decide whether the person who did it had criminal intent? seriously, i'd like to hear a suggestion as to how it should be handled.

 

Missing your first pick if you didn't pay by a certain day was over-the-top.

 

ask truffle if i took away his first pick.

 

let me know how many points you end up with today and i'll add them back.

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I know. Juan said the same thing. But that doesn't mean the mistake should be treated differently than anyone else's mistake. Why would truffle or me or sneaky get penalized for making the same mistake you or raw or Juan made?

 

I think if everyone knew coming in that rules applied differently to original or longtime members than new managers, you'd have a hard time filling those spots.

 

Maybe the issue is I'm starting from the baseline of "all violations are unintentional mistakes and should be treated the same." Am I the only one that assumes that? Or are you skeptical that new guys are going to try to scam the league so they should have to face penalties that other members don't? I don't think that's the idea. I think people just don't like being penalized so they want the rules to not apply to them when they make a mistake.

I'm pretty sure that everyone in the league tries to play within the rules. That's why when I was commish I rarely penalized anyone for being outside the norm and instead tried to message them to get things fixed. It was only when people were really negligent that I felt penalties were necessary.

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Anyway, all this griping is taking away from my enjoyment of stomping you all into the ground. :D

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That's great Tim. But all due respect, I prefer abuck's method. Have rules and apply them equally to all and the questions of fairness are hard to raise.

 

Also, you were pretty adamant that I was intentionally throwing our matchup last year and rather than message me about it, you attacked me here and called me out on the chat. So I get the intent behind your approach, but we all bring bias to the table. Applying the same rules and penalties to all minimizes that bias.

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the bench limit is back to 5.

 

this does not mean you can have 25 man rosters or whatever. this is only to use if you need to bench SPs to avoid going over your 7 starts.

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Haha. Ok. First, I said you didn't start bitching but said "oops guess I'll take the penalty." Then after several posts it turned into bitching. I said Juan started with bitching.

 

There's no problem with me concerning how others manage. Minny has been mostly absent and I know it's work/life reasons. I'm aware it happens. I don't care about [expletive] coming up in life. Manage your team actively or not. Isn't my concern. The problem isn't me (or adam).

 

I know adam's history. I've been on the site nearly a decade. I've read many of the posts on this forum which crack me up. Abuck can be brash. Some people also overreact. Not sure that's his fault. I don't personally care if you hate him or love him, I just thought calling him out when he volunteered to be commish and has been an active, fair commish is a tad over the top.

 

Finally, I'm glad you've been in the league 10 years. I'm sincere in that. That's a cool thing. It'd be great if this league were still active and fun in 10 years. But having a good record as a manager for 10 years doesn't entitle you to an exception from the rules. You made a mistake and the system is hard to use. That sucks. But you don't earn exemptions after so many years. You get the penalty and move on.

 

The thing with you Jeff, is you don't listen to what people are saying because you're so hellbent on arguing. So stop attacking people. If you can't, just shut the [expletive] up and let Adam run the league. Or leave. Your presence makes the league much less fun for the people who have been here a long time.

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Oh [expletive] off

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oh no, you're right. I should leave. this league was a well-oiled machine before I got here. no bitching in this league. everyone got along, managed their team, didn't run them into the ground. I come along and the ship starts sinking.

 

Hey, whatever gets you through the night, juan.

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oh no, you're right. I should leave. this league was a well-oiled machine before I got here. no bitching in this league. everyone got along, managed their team, didn't run them into the ground. I come along and the ship starts sinking.

 

Hey, whatever gets you through the night, juan.

 

 

Not sure what that means. There has always been bitching and the league has survived a long time. Once again, you didn't read what was said. I never blamed you for the problems with the league - you're the one constantly blaming everyone. I'm suggesting you stop it.

 

You're making the league less fun by telling everyone else what they can and can't do or say. We all know your opinion so why do you need to keep posting it? Let it go. Let the other managers and Adam sort things out. We've played together for 10 years without you telling us how to do it. Why do you feel like you have to tell everyone what to do?

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oh no, you're right. I should leave. this league was a well-oiled machine before I got here. no bitching in this league. everyone got along, managed their team, didn't run them into the ground. I come along and the ship starts sinking.

 

Hey, whatever gets you through the night, juan.

 

 

Not sure what that means. There has always been bitching and the league has survived a long time. Once again, you didn't read what was said. I never blamed you for the problems with the league - you're the one constantly blaming everyone. I'm suggesting you stop it.

 

You're making the league less fun by telling everyone else what they can and can't do or say. We all know your opinion so why do you need to keep posting it? Let it go. Let the other managers and Adam sort things out. We've played together for 10 years without you telling us how to do it. Why do you feel like you have to tell everyone what to do?

 

Who have I blamed? What are you talking about? You cheated twice and got caught twice so you're going to turn this around on someone else.

 

Instead of spending all this time arguing with me, you should re-familiarize yourself with the rules you created which haven't changed in 10 years, yet you blame for your cheating. "I thought our rosters could be 25 players! Yeah, that's it! I sometimes used 19, like we've always had, and sometimes used 20, never 25, but that's not the point. So I added a guy to my roster without dropping one (twice), which is the most basic rule in every fantasy league ever, but that's not the point. I'm sure everyone will buy it. Hey, hey...but I play fair."

 

lol

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oh no, you're right. I should leave. this league was a well-oiled machine before I got here. no bitching in this league. everyone got along, managed their team, didn't run them into the ground. I come along and the ship starts sinking.

 

Hey, whatever gets you through the night, juan.

 

 

Not sure what that means. There has always been bitching and the league has survived a long time. Once again, you didn't read what was said. I never blamed you for the problems with the league - you're the one constantly blaming everyone. I'm suggesting you stop it.

 

You're making the league less fun by telling everyone else what they can and can't do or say. We all know your opinion so why do you need to keep posting it? Let it go. Let the other managers and Adam sort things out. We've played together for 10 years without you telling us how to do it. Why do you feel like you have to tell everyone what to do?

 

Who have I blamed? What are you talking about? You cheated twice and got caught twice so you're going to turn this around on someone else.

 

Instead of spending all this time arguing with me, you should re-familiarize yourself with the rules you created which haven't changed in 10 years, yet you blame for your cheating. "I thought our rosters could be 25 players! Yeah, that's it! I sometimes used 19, like we've always had, and sometimes used 20, never 25, but that's not the point. So I added a guy to my roster without dropping one (twice), which is the most basic rule in every fantasy league ever, but that's not the point. I'm sure everyone will buy it. Hey, hey...but I play fair."

 

lol

 

Really? Because this issue was long since over until you brought it up again. Sorry about your personal issues.

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So, on this page, you misrepresented ABuck's actions to my team, accused me of deliberately cheating to win a fantasy baseball, implied I was a liar when I admitted my mistake, told everyone how much the league sucks, and attacked DJ for making a mistake. Anything else? And we're the ones with a problem?

 

You don't have your facts straight, you don't listen, and you are constantly looking for conflict. Why?

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So, on this page, you misrepresented ABuck's actions to my team, accused me of deliberately cheating to win a fantasy baseball, implied I was a liar when I admitted my mistake, told everyone how much the league sucks, and attacked DJ for making a mistake. Anything else? And we're the ones with a problem?

 

You don't have your facts straight, you don't listen, and you are constantly looking for conflict. Why?

 

 

this whole thing started b/c of you. abuck had to change the rule b/c you, twice in three weeks, brought a guy up from the minors without dropping anyone. That's just ridiculous. No one does that in fantasy baseball. But you did it. You got penalized for it. Then you did it again. You claimed you didn't know the rule (despite the penalty the previous week) and made up some weird excuse about thinking you could have 25 players, when you'd never had more than 20, usually had 19 and every other team in the league has 19. Then you bitched over and over about the penalty (admitted later that you were "stupid" b/c you were busy). Them's the facts. It sounds pretty bad when you see it laid out there, but I'm not spinning anything to make you look worse. I don't have to.

 

"Attacked DJ." Ha. I haven't attacked raw. I defended abuck's actions against raw's comments that they were "brash" and over-the-top (so did you, btw). The only person I could possibly be seen as attacking is you. But finally your little rant against me has revealed what's really bothering you. You're mad that I "attacked" the league you created. The rules are needlessly complex. It's gotten better with tweaking, but there's not a single place that accurately explains all the rules, which are just more difficult than necessary (a complaint which raw has made, abuck has made, bbb made to me when I joined last year, I recall truffle making in the past, and both new guys made this year). Oh, and in case you haven't been listening, most of my complaints have been about the system (CBS) and it's stupid settings and mobile app that doesn't work. Maybe that offends you too.

 

To be clear - you're the one with the problem. You. I don't have a problem with other managers, including raw and abuck, who I've been discussing the rules with mostly in this thread. We're discussing how to make the league better. That seems to upset you. We all make mistakes at times, but you made the same mistake twice, came up with a nonsensical excuse, and threw an absolutely hissy fit when the rules got applied to you and threatened to quit. You even reversed the penalty when it was first applied to you. Grow up man. It's just fantasy baseball.

 

Maybe you're not listening to what I'm saying.

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Jeff,

I returned from a weekend away and found I had 0 points for the week. I had no idea what had happened. I was tired and I reacted. Once I realized my mistake, I worked it out with Adam. What I was upset about was not that there was a penalty for my stupidity but that it was not reasonable or fair. There were not two incidents as I didn't even know about the first until the second. Honestly, stop saying I am cheating. I don't.

 

I have no problems with changes to the league. In fact, that is how I got confused on the bench spots as this has been a commonly suggested change. I don't think most people want a league with the style of punishment you describe. Its always been a friendly league. If you want to change the rules, fine. But if you change the philosophy, I am not sure I am interested.

 

What made me respond in this thread is that you attacked me two weeks after the event for no apparent reason. Why? Personal grudge? I don't get it. I only participate for fun. I don't lose sleep over fantasy baseball and I don't need affirmation from you or anyone else in this league.