Rizzo

[Guest]

He's hit for .190 in his career vs lefties.

 

This is not some one game sample size. At what point is it okay to start worrying?

 

He's nearing 400 plate appearances vs lefties. This isn't just a blindless statement after today.

 

Worry all you want. Posing that hypothetical after he has a bad game against them in game 1 is just concern trolling because today's game was annoying. Leave it in the game thread.

[StarlinOnYou]

What's worrisome, that Rizzo went 0 for 4 today, as we reach the 0.6% mark of the season?

 

You can worry about Rizzo's ability to hit LHP all you want. Reviving a thread after months to reiterate that opinion because he took a couple bad K's against an elite LHP is pointless. "Will Rizzo ever hit lefties?" I dunno, but we're about as sure of it now as we were yesterday.

 

Today was just the inspiration for his post, but it's not like it isn't a worrisome trend.

 

Thank you for being able to objectively look at this.

 

I am rooting for Rizzo of course.. I'm not here to troll fans of a team I root for.

[Sammy Sofa]

Uh, I'm not objective at all. I just think Rizzo's OK at best.

[StarlinOnYou]

He's hit for .190 in his career vs lefties.

 

This is not some one game sample size. At what point is it okay to start worrying?

 

He's nearing 400 plate appearances vs lefties. This isn't just a blindless statement after today.

 

Worry all you want. Posing that hypothetical after he has a bad game against them in game 1 is just concern trolling because today's game was annoying. Leave it in the game thread.

 

This is the "Anthony Rizzo" thread. I think this is the best place to discuss this.

 

And it isn't just about today - it's his 360 other plate appearances and his sub .200 average.

[Guest]

This is the "Anthony Rizzo" thread. I think this is the best place to discuss this.

 

And it isn't just about today - it's his 360 other plate appearances and his sub .200 average.

 

Here's the better question. Would you have made this post if Rizzo went 1 for 3 with a walk today? Would you have even made it if he had done the same thing but the Cubs won 1-0 instead? If the answer to either of those questions is no(and we can be honest, it is), then the whole point is hashing out some pet opinion based on the irritation over today's game. It doesn't matter how legitimate the opinion is, it's a pointless exercise to bring up 15 minutes after game 1 because there's no real discussion to be had that hasn't been hashed out months ago.

 

EDIT: There's a reason that there aren't similar "Will Lake ever be able to recognize changeups?", "Will Castro ever stop rolling over outside pitches?", or "Will Olt ever be able to get his K rate under control?" posts in this forum right now. Consider why that might be.

[gscool89]

It's 1 freakin game against one of the best lefties and bullpens in baseball. Relax.

[Sammy Sofa]

This is the "Anthony Rizzo" thread. I think this is the best place to discuss this.

 

And it isn't just about today - it's his 360 other plate appearances and his sub .200 average.

 

Here's the better question. Would you have made this post if Rizzo went 1 for 3 with a walk today? Would you have even made it if he had done the same thing but the Cubs won 1-0 instead? If the answer to either of those questions is no(and we can be honest, it is), then the whole point is hashing out some pet opinion based on the irritation over today's game. It doesn't matter how legitimate the opinion is, it's a pointless exercise to bring up 15 minutes after game 1 because there's no real discussion to be had that hasn't been hashed out months ago.

 

So I can only assume there's going to be similar lectures when people are bumping threads because certain players have a good game.

 

Wait, no, there won't be. Things are bad and people have lots of things they want to complain about.

[Guest]

So I can only assume there's going to be similar lectures when people are bumping threads because certain players have a good game.

 

Wait, no, there won't be. Things are bad and people have lots of things they want to complain about.

 

If people bump a thread with "told you so" stuff? There absolutely would. Otherwise, you're right. Mostly because that stuff actually stays in the game thread. But also because we're not sociopaths.

[Sammy Sofa]

So I can only assume there's going to be similar lectures when people are bumping threads because certain players have a good game.

 

Wait, no, there won't be. Things are bad and people have lots of things they want to complain about.

 

If people bump a thread with "told you so" stuff? There absolutely would. Otherwise, you're right. Mostly because that stuff actually stays in the game thread. But also because we're not sociopaths.

 

Holy hell, and I thought I was fast and loose with the hyperbole.

 

Yeah, the response was brought on by this first game of the season, but it was yet another game where he looked horrendous (and not simply because he was facing a good one) against a LH pitcher, which has been an ongoing trend for over two seasons now. There's several threads dedicated to this player and none of them have been active lately because it's the beginning of the season.

[Guest]

OK, I agree there's an obvious amount of overreaction, but the flipside of people thinking it's absurd that the Cubs' 1B juuuuust might have the offensive splits of a platoon player seems a tad overwrought.

 

Reactionary silliness is not limited to opinions that are 100% baseless.

 

His opinion seems mostly based on Rizzo not hitting lefties well, which is hardly baseless.

 

Which is why he said it didn't have to be baseless for it to be reactionary silliness.

[Guest]

Will Rizzo ever hit lefties?

 

I'd rather have Cashner than Rizzo. Although, many will be outraged by such a statement.

 

Talk to me when Cashner tops 175 innings in a season.

[SpongeWorthy]

Is this forum so overflowing with posts that we need to be hyper vigilant about quarantining posts to the right thread?

[Quakers]

Will Rizzo ever hit lefties?

 

I'd rather have Cashner than Rizzo. Although, many will be outraged by such a statement.

 

Talk to me when Cashner tops 175 innings in a season.

 

I think Cashner will do that this year.

[RynoRules]

Will Rizzo ever hit lefties?

 

I'd rather have Cashner than Rizzo. Although, many will be outraged by such a statement.

 

Talk to me when Cashner tops 175 innings in a season.

 

I think Cashner will do that this year.

 

I think that if a frog had wings it wouldn't hit its ass when it hops.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's not even that I necessarily want Cashner back; I'm just very wary that Rizzo, like Castro, could very well not be the cornerstone players that the Cubs both really, really want and need them to be. It's appearing more and more like they're counting on their player development to pretty much break all their way.

[Guest]

It's not even that I necessarily want Cashner back; I'm just very wary that Rizzo, like Castro, could very well not be the cornerstone players that the Cubs both really, really want and need them to be. It's appearing more and more like they're counting on their player development to pretty much break all their way.

 

I expect them both to be in the neighborhood of 3-4 win players and they really don't need to be more than that.

 

That's not to say that, being good players, they won't have hears where they'll perform great (just like they'll have down years).

[Sammy Sofa]

It's not even that I necessarily want Cashner back; I'm just very wary that Rizzo, like Castro, could very well not be the cornerstone players that the Cubs both really, really want and need them to be. It's appearing more and more like they're counting on their player development to pretty much break all their way.

 

I expect them both to be in the neighborhood of 3-4 win players and they really don't need to be more than that.

 

That's not to say that, being good players, they won't have hears where they'll perform great (just like they'll have down years).

 

I think they'll be lucky to consistently be 2+ win players, and a good chunk of that will be propped up by their defense.

 

Again, not the end of the world in terms of general baseball, but kind of the end of the world given what the Cubs are trying to do; or at least a big ass tsunami to a bunch of the coasts. You can't honestly tell me that they weren't expecting/hoping at least one them to break out in a big way.

[Guest]

You have Rizzo all wrong if you think he'll be lucky to be a 2+ win player.

 

 

And Castro, if he ever has above average value again (which I believe he will) it won't be because of his defense (unless you just mean the fact that he is a SS)...

[Sammy Sofa]

You have Rizzo all wrong if you think he'll be lucky to be a 2+ win player.

 

Consistently? I hope I am, but I think most of the time he'll be hovering below or above 2. Certainly could be a lot worse, but I think he's just too vulnerable against LH pitching and not damaging enough against RH pitching. He's just not the young Ryan Howard-type offensively where he can overcome how drastic his splits are.

 

And Castro, if he ever has above average value again (which I believe he will) it won't be because of his defense (unless you just mean the fact that he is a SS)...

 

I know it seems like most here hate BR's defensive metrics, but I was thinking of their 2012 rating for him when I said that. I don't think he'll regularly be ranked that high, but I think his defense is more likely than his offense to sharpen up at this point.

Edited March 31, 2014 by Sammy Sofa

[treebird]

You have Rizzo all wrong if you think he'll be lucky to be a 2+ win player.

 

Consistently? I hope I am, but I think most of the time he'll be hovering below 2. Certainly could be a lot worse, but I think he's just too vulnerable against LH pitching and not damaging enough against RH pitching.

 

And Castro, if he ever has above average value again (which I believe he will) it won't be because of his defense (unless you just mean the fact that he is a SS)...

 

I know it seems like most here hate BR's defensive metrics, but I was thinking of their 2012 rating for him when I said that. I don't think he'll regularly be ranked that high, but I think his defense is more likely than his offense to sharpen up at this point.

 

go read all that stuff North posted a while back about rizzo again. i think there's a lot of reason to think anthony ends up a solidly above average offensive first baseman.

 

castro i have no idea how what to think he'll do going forward.

[Sammy Sofa]

go read all that stuff North posted a while back about rizzo again. i think there's a lot of reason to think anthony ends up a solidly above average offensive first baseman.

 

I've read it several times. I'll feel a lot better when he actually starts producing like that player. Until then I'm very worried he won't (at least not consistently).

 

castro i have no idea how what to think he'll do going forward.

 

I think he'll bounce back, but he's not going to be the "perennial All Star" everyone was hoping for.

[NOLA]

Happy 2014 Season Everybody!!

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[Guest]

Just a little FYI, the Riz has had exactly 356 PAs against lefties.

 

Jury is OUT.

[Sammy Sofa]

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[Boris]

Holy [expletive] I love opening day.

 

I think Rizzo is going to be just fine. He just needs to grow some facial hair or something.