Sveum Suggests Sending Castro and Rizzo to AAA

[Guest]

I kinda surprised anyone would greet the idea of Sveum (or any of the coaches) being fired or not with more than a wearied shrug.

 

Just to clarify, you are surprised some people wouldn't mind?

 

 

Coaches aren't that important in my estimation. It's the players that win or lose in baseball. Unless you have a magic pitching coach who gets more out the arms than anybody else does, they are replaceable.

 

I can't imagine them canning Sveum though, since they set him up with crap teams, you can't really justify expecting more. The problem is though if they just keep losing they may feel the need to make it look like they are trying eventually, which could force them to fire somebody. And if they do keep losing then Sveum himself may want out. The taint of managing 100 loss teams can take a long time to wash away. You'll probably have to latch on to a winning organization for several years to be considered a viable option again.

 

Pretty much all this.

[jersey cubs fan]

No, I mean I'm surprised that anyone would really care about it either way. At this point I really don't think it matters much whether the coaching staff is retained or fired.

 

Oh, okay. That's why I asked. I concur.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

on the subject of Rizzo, nice write up by Brett

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/04/22/forget-what-youve-heard-anthony-rizzo-has-been-great-this-year/

[davell]

Is there a study or anything that remotely resembles one, that can tell us the difference in how many wins a team would have with Joe Madden instead of Dusty Baker at the helm? I agree with the general premise here(managers don't matter a ton) but in extreme cases, are we talking 5-6 wins a year possibly?

[SABR Gamer]

Is there a study or anything that remotely resembles one, that can tell us the difference in how many wins a team would have with Joe Madden instead of Dusty Baker at the helm? I agree with the general premise here(managers don't matter a ton) but in extreme cases, are we talking 5-6 wins a year possibly?

 

Somebody create WARM

[Guest]

Is there a study or anything that remotely resembles one, that can tell us the difference in how many wins a team would have with Joe Madden instead of Dusty Baker at the helm? I agree with the general premise here(managers don't matter a ton) but in extreme cases, are we talking 5-6 wins a year possibly?

 

Somebody create WARM

Too many variables to control for. Baker has had the extreme fortune to have a few of the best generational talent to manage. Bonds skews all data. Now he has Votto.

[biittner77]

Is there a study or anything that remotely resembles one, that can tell us the difference in how many wins a team would have with Joe Madden instead of Dusty Baker at the helm? I agree with the general premise here(managers don't matter a ton) but in extreme cases, are we talking 5-6 wins a year possibly?

 

I thought somebody did one and determined that it was no more than 3 wins difference but I can't remember who or where that was.

 

IIRC, I think they took actual wins compared to the sum of individual player WARP plus whatever they determined was the baseline for an all replacement level team which I'd assume was somewhere around 54.

 

edit: after trying that formula, the 2012 Cubs had a net WARP of 13.9, so they should have won 67.9 games last year. That would make Svuem a -6.9.

 

Maybe someone else remembers better or would like to apply this to other teams as a comparison.

Edited April 22, 2013 by biittner77

[neely crenshaw]

Again, I have to think before you threaten this, wouldn't you sit them down?

Also the front office sends people down not the manager. When making a move they may listen to the managers feelings on what is needed on the roster but they aren't sending down Castro or Rizzo for lack of effort/mental mistakes.

Now back to sitting them, don't you think it would make a bigger impact on the other players if they were benched for mental mistakes, or seeming lack of effort.

 

When you are playing poorly enough to start talk of making a run at losing 100 games again, does it really matter if you sit anyone for any amount of time?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Again, I have to think before you threaten this, wouldn't you sit them down?

Also the front office sends people down not the manager. When making a move they may listen to the managers feelings on what is needed on the roster but they aren't sending down Castro or Rizzo for lack of effort/mental mistakes.

Now back to sitting them, don't you think it would make a bigger impact on the other players if they were benched for mental mistakes, or seeming lack of effort.

 

When you are playing poorly enough to start talk of making a run at losing 100 games again, does it really matter if you sit anyone for any amount of time?

 

It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. Even if they were on pace to lose 50 games, you don't sit two of the few players you're counting on in the future so you can punish them and waste playing time on Brent Lillibridge, Brad Nelson, or whomever's taking up space in AAAA.

[neely crenshaw]

Again, I have to think before you threaten this, wouldn't you sit them down?

Also the front office sends people down not the manager. When making a move they may listen to the managers feelings on what is needed on the roster but they aren't sending down Castro or Rizzo for lack of effort/mental mistakes.

Now back to sitting them, don't you think it would make a bigger impact on the other players if they were benched for mental mistakes, or seeming lack of effort.

 

When you are playing poorly enough to start talk of making a run at losing 100 games again, does it really matter if you sit anyone for any amount of time?

 

It's called cutting off your nose to spite your face. Even if they were on pace to lose 50 games, you don't sit two of the few players you're counting on in the future so you can punish them and waste playing time on Brent Lillibridge, Brad Nelson, or whomever's taking up space in AAAA.

Actually yes, you do. If players no matter who, are not playing hard, or doing dumb things you bench them. I am not saying you bench them for hitting poorly or making physical errors. Everyone is accountable to play the game correctly not perfectly but correctly.

[GammonsPocketTweets]

Last year, Rizzo's defensive stats were outstanding, and Castro was very good. Maybe we should put the manager in the corner for poor player development instruction at the big league level.

 

Maybe the team president should have a "timeout" too for a poorly constructed roster that can't overcome a few fielding mistakes here and there.