2012-13 NFL Playoffs

[Cubswin11]

It's basically like the starting pitchers W-L record, playoff ERA and win totals argument

[dew1679666265]

It's basically like the starting pitchers W-L record, playoff ERA and win totals argument

 

Yeah, pretty much. And I hate all of those too.

[mul21]

I haven't looked closely, but in all seriousness, was he a completely different QB once Caldwell took over the play calling? How long was Cameron there?

[dew1679666265]

I haven't looked closely, but in all seriousness, was he a completely different QB once Caldwell took over the play calling? How long was Cameron there?

 

Cameron was fired with 3 games left in the season. Flacco had 1 good game and 1 bad game in the regular season (only threw 8 passes in the final game) and then was pretty good in first 2 playoff games and really good in final 2 playoff games.

 

I think Cameron's been there since he was fired from Miami.

[Magnetic Curses]

It's basically dominated the sports radio in KC since the Ravens beat New England. The discussions are far from advanced.

 

Yeah, the stupid side of the debate (Flacco has as many Super Bowl rings as Rodgers and Peyton so he must be as good!!) is really annoying.

 

love it or hate it, in today's NFL, super bowls are won by very good to great quarterbacks.

[Banedon]

It's basically dominated the sports radio in KC since the Ravens beat New England. The discussions are far from advanced.

 

Yeah, the stupid side of the debate (Flacco has as many Super Bowl rings as Rodgers and Peyton so he must be as good!!) is really annoying.

 

love it or hate it, in today's NFL, super bowls are won by very good to great quarterbacks.

 

So, I presume by "today's NFL" you mean after Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls?

 

It's a chicken and the egg issue. Do great QB's lead teams to Super Bowls or does winning a Super Bowl cause us to elevate a QB to "great" status?

[dew1679666265]

It's basically dominated the sports radio in KC since the Ravens beat New England. The discussions are far from advanced.

 

Yeah, the stupid side of the debate (Flacco has as many Super Bowl rings as Rodgers and Peyton so he must be as good!!) is really annoying.

 

love it or hate it, in today's NFL, super bowls are won by very good to great quarterbacks.

 

Typically yes, that's the case. But having a ring doesn't make a QB great. Flacco didn't magically become a great QB because he put a Super Bowl ring on his finger. He's a good QB on a good team that got really hot at the right time.

[Pushfrog98]

Maybe this has been covered, but is anything going to happen to the Ravens player that pushed (and then tried kicking) a ref?

[UMFan83]

Sound FX for the last 4 minutes of the Super Bowl. Great stuff in there, including Joe Flacco, looking absolutely serious, telling anyone who would listen to tackle Ted Ginn from the sidelines if he broke the punt return and was heading for a touchdown. Also captures the Jim and John Harbaugh meeting after the game ended.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/0ap2000000136915/Sound-FX-Ravens-win-Super-Bowl-XLVII

[Magnetic Curses]

It's basically dominated the sports radio in KC since the Ravens beat New England. The discussions are far from advanced.

 

Yeah, the stupid side of the debate (Flacco has as many Super Bowl rings as Rodgers and Peyton so he must be as good!!) is really annoying.

 

love it or hate it, in today's NFL, super bowls are won by very good to great quarterbacks.

 

So, I presume by "today's NFL" you mean after Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls?

 

yes, of course. when i say "today's NFL" I mean today's NFL, not the NFL over a decade ago.

 

It's a chicken and the egg issue. Do great QB's lead teams to Super Bowls or does winning a Super Bowl cause us to elevate a QB to "great" status?

 

you can't win a super bowl any more unless you have a very good-to-great qb playing at a high level, it doesn't happen.

[Banedon]

There was a whole lot of debate about just how good Joe Flacco was prior to the playoffs. But now all of a sudden he's gonna be the highest paid QB. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Magnetic Curses]

There was a whole lot of debate about just how good Joe Flacco was prior to the playoffs. But now all of a sudden he's gonna be the highest paid QB. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

i didn't say anything about being the highest paid. joe flacco played better than any other quarterback in the playoffs, he had a stupid TD/INT ratio. how often does an average qb do that?

[Banedon]

There was a whole lot of debate about just how good Joe Flacco was prior to the playoffs. But now all of a sudden he's gonna be the highest paid QB. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

i didn't say anything about being the highest paid. joe flacco played better than any other quarterback in the playoffs, he had a stupid TD/INT ratio. how often does an average qb do that?

 

Well by TD/INT ratio he was the 12th QB. (11th if you take out Kolb) Just ahead of NFL great, Matt Shaub.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/touchdown-to-interception-ratio/2012/

[mul21]

There was a whole lot of debate about just how good Joe Flacco was prior to the playoffs. But now all of a sudden he's gonna be the highest paid QB. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

i didn't say anything about being the highest paid. joe flacco played better than any other quarterback in the playoffs, he had a stupid TD/INT ratio. how often does an average qb do that?

 

Well by TD/INT ratio he was the 12th QB. (11th if you take out Kolb) Just ahead of NFL great, Matt Shaub.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/touchdown-to-interception-ratio/2012/

 

I think he meant in the playoffs.

[Magnetic Curses]

There was a whole lot of debate about just how good Joe Flacco was prior to the playoffs. But now all of a sudden he's gonna be the highest paid QB. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

i didn't say anything about being the highest paid. joe flacco played better than any other quarterback in the playoffs, he had a stupid TD/INT ratio. how often does an average qb do that?

 

Well by TD/INT ratio he was the 12th QB. (11th if you take out Kolb) Just ahead of NFL great, Matt Shaub.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/touchdown-to-interception-ratio/2012/

 

and yet flacco is the one with the 11-0 ratio in the playoffs. i ask again, when is the last time an average qb went off like that in the playoffs?

[Banedon]

There was a whole lot of debate about just how good Joe Flacco was prior to the playoffs. But now all of a sudden he's gonna be the highest paid QB. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

i didn't say anything about being the highest paid. joe flacco played better than any other quarterback in the playoffs, he had a stupid TD/INT ratio. how often does an average qb do that?

 

Well by TD/INT ratio he was the 12th QB. (11th if you take out Kolb) Just ahead of NFL great, Matt Shaub.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/touchdown-to-interception-ratio/2012/

 

I think he meant in the playoffs.

 

Whatever then. His highest QB rating in a season is 93. He's nowhere near the Rodgers/Brees/Brady's of the world. Romo's had a 100+ season.

 

Flacco is a good QB that had a awesome playoffs.

[Banedon]

There was a whole lot of debate about just how good Joe Flacco was prior to the playoffs. But now all of a sudden he's gonna be the highest paid QB. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

i didn't say anything about being the highest paid. joe flacco played better than any other quarterback in the playoffs, he had a stupid TD/INT ratio. how often does an average qb do that?

 

Well by TD/INT ratio he was the 12th QB. (11th if you take out Kolb) Just ahead of NFL great, Matt Shaub.

 

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/touchdown-to-interception-ratio/2012/

 

and yet flacco is the one with the 11-0 ratio in the playoffs. i ask again, when is the last time an average qb went off like that in the playoffs?

 

Eli Manning had a 9-1 ratio last year and a 6-1 ratio in '07.

 

He's also a pretty mediocre/good-but-not-great regular season QB.

[dew1679666265]

and yet flacco is the one with the 11-0 ratio in the playoffs. i ask again, when is the last time an average qb went off like that in the playoffs?

 

So a 4 game stretch now means more in evaluation than a 16 game stretch?

[mul21]

and yet flacco is the one with the 11-0 ratio in the playoffs. i ask again, when is the last time an average qb went off like that in the playoffs?

 

So a 4 game stretch now means more in evaluation than a 16 game stretch?

 

I think this one is a little harder to judge than other situations have been due to the coaching change. I think it's tough to excel at the QB position when you're not on the same page as your OC. He's going to get paid, but there's no way he should get the $18-20M that Brady, Brees and Manning are getting.

[dew1679666265]

I think this one is a little harder to judge than other situations have been due to the coaching change. I think it's tough to excel at the QB position when you're not on the same page as your OC. He's going to get paid, but there's no way he should get the $18-20M that Brady, Brees and Manning are getting.

 

In all honesty, I might just let him go. This wasn't a great Ravens team anyway, it just got hot at the right time, and it's primed to lose a lot of talent - Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Boldin, Kruger, Ellerbee, Flacco, etc. They might be better served not to commit that much money to a guy who hasn't been that great over the course of his career and instead plug the hole for a couple of years while they look to draft a QB in the next 2 years. With the drafting acumen of Newsome and DeCosta, I'm pretty confident they'll find a suitable replacement.

 

That said, they're good enough and proven enough that basically any decision they make I'll assume was the right one. That's probably the best front office in the game.

 

* Note: I'm working under the assumption that he's going to demand a hefty raise after the playoff performance and that he's now a *winner*. If you can get him on a reasonable amount of guaranteed money, you obviously bring him back.

[UMFan83]

Great work by SNL last night to spoof the blackout.

 

http://deadspin.com/5983117/saturday-night-lives-cold-open-spoofed-the-super-bowl-blackout