College Football - Week 9 (Oct. 27)

[Guest]

No one's going to argue that KSU should be ranked above ND right?

 

I was going to but after doing a bit of research, I realized I thought Kansas State's schedule was harder than it actually was. If both win out, I'd say Kansas St. should probably be ranked ahead.

 

Based on...

 

Having an overall tougher schedule and playing in, according to Sagarin, the best conference in the country. Notre Dame has a schedule strength of 10 right now (Sagarin) while KSt is at 30. But KSt's remaining schedule is significantly harder than Notre Dame's (they've already played the crap teams on their schedule while ND hasn't) and that would put them over the top.

[CubColtPacer]

No one's going to argue that KSU should be ranked above ND right?

 

I was going to but after doing a bit of research, I realized I thought Kansas State's schedule was harder than it actually was. If both win out, I'd say Kansas St. should probably be ranked ahead.

 

Based on...

 

The one thing I could think of is that KState has had less close calls than ND has so far. ND will have played a better schedule. Not ridiculously better, but definitely better. So ND will have the schedule advantage, while KState has been a little more impressive against their opponents.

[Tracer Bullet]

No one's going to argue that KSU should be ranked above ND right?

 

I was going to but after doing a bit of research, I realized I thought Kansas State's schedule was harder than it actually was. If both win out, I'd say Kansas St. should probably be ranked ahead.

 

Based on...

 

The one thing I could think of is that KState has had less close calls than ND has so far. ND will have played a better schedule. Not ridiculously better, but definitely better. So ND will have the schedule advantage, while KState has been a little more impressive against their opponents.

 

Compare mutual opponents. KSU plays in a conference where no one plays D.

[Guest]

No one's going to argue that KSU should be ranked above ND right?

 

I was going to but after doing a bit of research, I realized I thought Kansas State's schedule was harder than it actually was. If both win out, I'd say Kansas St. should probably be ranked ahead.

 

Based on...

 

The one thing I could think of is that KState has had less close calls than ND has so far. ND will have played a better schedule. Not ridiculously better, but definitely better. So ND will have the schedule advantage, while KState has been a little more impressive against their opponents.

 

Compare mutual opponents. KSU plays in a conference where no one plays D.

 

Except Kansas State. 5th in ppg, 13th in ppg allowed. And Notre Dame (76th ppg, 2nd ppg allowed) plays a bunch of teams who don't play offense: 82, 52, 111, 64, 72, 70, 77 and 13 in ppg. And their remaining opponents are 60, 94, 103 and 29.

[Tracer Bullet]

No one's going to argue that KSU should be ranked above ND right?

 

I was going to but after doing a bit of research, I realized I thought Kansas State's schedule was harder than it actually was. If both win out, I'd say Kansas St. should probably be ranked ahead.

 

Based on...

 

The one thing I could think of is that KState has had less close calls than ND has so far. ND will have played a better schedule. Not ridiculously better, but definitely better. So ND will have the schedule advantage, while KState has been a little more impressive against their opponents.

 

Compare mutual opponents. KSU plays in a conference where no one plays D.

 

Except Kansas State. 5th in ppg, 13th in ppg allowed. And Notre Dame (76th ppg, 2nd ppg allowed) plays a bunch of teams who don't play offense: 82, 52, 111, 64, 72, 70, 77 and 13 in ppg. And their remaining opponents are 60, 94, 103 and 29.

 

4 top-20 wins including #10 and #8 on the road. Throttled an OU team that KSU beat by less than a TD. And OU's leading receiver yesterday didn't play against KSU. Their leading tackler? His indefinite suspension was miraculously over just in time for ND.

 

The Big 12 scores a lot bc no one plays D and they play the biggest cupcakes OOC. Pathetic

[bcl412]

Notre Dame has played the toughest schedule. They've beat good teams on the road and have played BCS/BCS level schools every week this year aside from Navy. The only real knock against them is that Purdue took them to the brink (though they did take Ohio State to OT as well) and they don't score 40 points a game. What their defense has done though is just as impressive as the amount of points that K-State and Oregon can put up.

[Guest]

4 top-20 wins including #10 and #8 on the road. Throttled an OU team that KSU beat by less than a TD. And OU's leading receiver yesterday didn't play against KSU. Their leading tackler? His indefinite suspension was miraculously over just in time for ND.

 

The Big 12 scores a lot bc no one plays D and they play the biggest cupcakes OOC. Pathetic

 

I'm counting 2 top-25 wins and none in the top-10.

[bcl412]

I wonder if LSU will jump any of the remaining top 3 undefeateds if they win next Saturday.

[Andy]

I wonder if LSU will jump any of the remaining top 3 undefeateds if they win next Saturday.

They shouldn't but they probably would. SEC rules all and all that.

 

It's an elementary question though, because LSU's not that great and Bama's probably going to smear them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I wonder if LSU will jump any of the remaining top 3 undefeateds if they win next Saturday.

 

I'm an LSU fan and there's no way in hell LSU wins against Bama.

[bcl412]

I don't think they will either. Actually, how the hell are they 5th aside from the SEC thing? They barely beat Towson and Auburn.

[Andy]

I don't think they will either. Actually, how the hell are they 5th aside from the SEC thing? They barely beat Towson and Auburn.

Because they beat a South Carolina team who's so good that they gave up 35 points to Tennessee.

 

Apart from Alabama, the SEC is very overrated this year.

[Tracer Bullet]

4 top-20 wins including #10 and #8 on the road. Throttled an OU team that KSU beat by less than a TD. And OU's leading receiver yesterday didn't play against KSU. Their leading tackler? His indefinite suspension was miraculously over just in time for ND.

 

The Big 12 scores a lot bc no one plays D and they play the biggest cupcakes OOC. Pathetic

 

I'm counting 2 top-25 wins and none in the top-10.

 

Oh you're that guy. Ok. Never mind then.

[Guest]

4 top-20 wins including #10 and #8 on the road. Throttled an OU team that KSU beat by less than a TD. And OU's leading receiver yesterday didn't play against KSU. Their leading tackler? His indefinite suspension was miraculously over just in time for ND.

 

The Big 12 scores a lot bc no one plays D and they play the biggest cupcakes OOC. Pathetic

 

I'm counting 2 top-25 wins and none in the top-10.

 

Oh you're that guy. Ok. Never mind then.

 

Yep, it's crazy to change your opinion of how good a win is based on what that team ends up doing the rest of the season.

[Tracer Bullet]

4 top-20 wins including #10 and #8 on the road. Throttled an OU team that KSU beat by less than a TD. And OU's leading receiver yesterday didn't play against KSU. Their leading tackler? His indefinite suspension was miraculously over just in time for ND.

 

The Big 12 scores a lot bc no one plays D and they play the biggest cupcakes OOC. Pathetic

 

I'm counting 2 top-25 wins and none in the top-10.

 

Oh you're that guy. Ok. Never mind then.

 

Yep, it's crazy to change your opinion of how good a win is based on what that team ends up doing the rest of the season.

 

It is. Yet you're still doing it. Midseason even.

[Guest]

4 top-20 wins including #10 and #8 on the road. Throttled an OU team that KSU beat by less than a TD. And OU's leading receiver yesterday didn't play against KSU. Their leading tackler? His indefinite suspension was miraculously over just in time for ND.

 

The Big 12 scores a lot bc no one plays D and they play the biggest cupcakes OOC. Pathetic

 

I'm counting 2 top-25 wins and none in the top-10.

 

Oh you're that guy. Ok. Never mind then.

 

Yep, it's crazy to change your opinion of how good a win is based on what that team ends up doing the rest of the season.

 

It is. Yet you're still doing it. Midseason even.

 

If ND beats USC, are you going to count that as a win over a No. 1 team?

[bcl412]

I think both perspectives are flawed here. If you beat a team early in the season who was ranked high but they finish 6-6 or something, that team was never that good, they were overrated.

 

On the other hand, if Oklahoma or Stanford hadn't lost to Notre Dame, they would probably be in the top-10 so counting that win as such is fine.

[Tracer Bullet]

4 top-20 wins including #10 and #8 on the road. Throttled an OU team that KSU beat by less than a TD. And OU's leading receiver yesterday didn't play against KSU. Their leading tackler? His indefinite suspension was miraculously over just in time for ND.

 

The Big 12 scores a lot bc no one plays D and they play the biggest cupcakes OOC. Pathetic

 

I'm counting 2 top-25 wins and none in the top-10.

 

Oh you're that guy. Ok. Never mind then.

 

Yep, it's crazy to change your opinion of how good a win is based on what that team ends up doing the rest of the season.

 

It is. Yet you're still doing it. Midseason even.

 

If ND beats USC, are you going to count that as a win over a No. 1 team?

 

Now you're using your flawed logic and attributing it to me.

[Guest]

I think both perspectives are flawed here. If you beat a team early in the season who was ranked high but they finish 6-6 or something, that team was never that good, they were overrated.

 

On the other hand, if Oklahoma or Stanford hadn't lost to Notre Dame, they would probably be in the top-10 so counting that win as such is fine.

 

It's clear he's referring to Michigan State as a top-10 win.

 

Right now, Notre Dame hasn't beaten anyone in the top-10 and only two teams in the top-25. From what we know right now, their schedule doesn't look as tough as people thought it would coming into the year (with 3 top-10 teams plus No. 13 Michigan State and No. 21 Stanford). If MSU, Michigan, Oklahoma and Stanford all win out, I'll change my opinion of Notre Dame accordingly.

[Tracer Bullet]

I think both perspectives are flawed here. If you beat a team early in the season who was ranked high but they finish 6-6 or something, that team was never that good, they were overrated.

 

On the other hand, if Oklahoma or Stanford hadn't lost to Notre Dame, they would probably be in the top-10 so counting that win as such is fine.

 

Teams change over the course of the season. Beating USC in week 1 this season is more impressive than beating them late bc they're talented but not deep. As they get to the meat of the schedule, they'll be easier to beat.

 

Similarly, beating Michigan when Denard is still breathing is a better win than once he's been pummeled and their entire offense is thrown to the crapper. Or beating OU after their Oline, which was a jumbled mess in fall camp has had a chance to gel, and once they get back their best defensive lineman and one of their top WRs. That's more impressive to me than beating an inferior OU team early.

 

Hey if ND and KSU had switched weeks against OU, then ND would be 3 and maybe 2 in the country. That's stupid.

[Guest]

I think both perspectives are flawed here. If you beat a team early in the season who was ranked high but they finish 6-6 or something, that team was never that good, they were overrated.

 

On the other hand, if Oklahoma or Stanford hadn't lost to Notre Dame, they would probably be in the top-10 so counting that win as such is fine.

 

Teams change over the course of the season. Beating USC in week 1 this season is more impressive than beating them late bc they're talented but not deep. As they get to the meat of the schedule, they'll be easier to beat.

 

Similarly, beating Michigan when Denard is still breathing is a better win than once he's been pummeled and their entire offense is thrown to the crapper. Or beating OU after their Oline, which was a jumbled mess in fall camp has had a chance to gel, and once they get back their best defensive lineman and one of their top WRs. That's more impressive to me than beating an inferior OU team early.

 

Hey if ND and KSU had switched weeks against OU, then ND would be 3 and maybe 2 in the country. That's stupid.

 

Notre Dame also jumped nine spots in the AP poll after beating Michigan State, which wouldn't have happened if MSU was unranked as they currently are.

[dew1679666265]

Because they beat a South Carolina team who's so good that they gave up 35 points to Tennessee.

 

Apart from Alabama, the SEC is very overrated this year.

 

While I agree with your overall point, giving up 35 points to this Tennessee offense isn't something to be ashamed of. Our offense is really good, it's our defense that sucks beyond belief and is the cause of our 0-5 SEC record.

 

We're at 35 ppg for the season.

[Tracer Bullet]

I think both perspectives are flawed here. If you beat a team early in the season who was ranked high but they finish 6-6 or something, that team was never that good, they were overrated.

 

On the other hand, if Oklahoma or Stanford hadn't lost to Notre Dame, they would probably be in the top-10 so counting that win as such is fine.

 

Teams change over the course of the season. Beating USC in week 1 this season is more impressive than beating them late bc they're talented but not deep. As they get to the meat of the schedule, they'll be easier to beat.

 

Similarly, beating Michigan when Denard is still breathing is a better win than once he's been pummeled and their entire offense is thrown to the crapper. Or beating OU after their Oline, which was a jumbled mess in fall camp has had a chance to gel, and once they get back their best defensive lineman and one of their top WRs. That's more impressive to me than beating an inferior OU team early.

 

Hey if ND and KSU had switched weeks against OU, then ND would be 3 and maybe 2 in the country. That's stupid.

 

Notre Dame also jumped nine spots in the AP poll after beating Michigan State, which wouldn't have happened if MSU was unranked as they currently are.

 

And same with KSU and WVU. Who has KSU beat that's any good (that ND didn't also beat)?

[Guest]

I already conceded that ND's schedule to this point has been harder and I'm not changing that opinion. Kansas State has already played their crap teams while Notre Dame is playing theirs the next three weeks. That's why my argument at the beginning was that when the season is over, I think KSt's schedule will have been harder.

 

As far as your question, if you go by Sagarin, Texas Tech is No. 8 and slightly ahead of No. 13 Stanford.

[Tracer Bullet]

I already conceded that ND's schedule to this point has been harder and I'm not changing that opinion. Kansas State has already played their crap teams while Notre Dame is playing theirs the next three weeks. That's why my argument at the beginning was that when the season is over, I think KSt's schedule will have been harder.

 

As far as your question, if you go by Sagarin, Texas Tech is No. 8 and slightly ahead of No. 13 Stanford.

 

Saragin has a love for the big 12 that I don't understand. Why is TTech 8? They lost to the only good teams they've played. Look at that OOC schedule. Ugh.