Random Baseball Musings

[Guest]

[expletive] WWII ruined Ted Williams, and he's still like the 2nd or 3rd best hitter of all time.

He lost time in Korea too. Dude was probably the best pure hitter ever, although he did have superhuman vision.

[OleMissCub]

every time i stumble in a baseball reference rabbit hole and end up at his page im just blown away.

 

Yeah, he has lots and lots of bold numbers on his BR page.

 

Started down my own rabbit hole looking to see the most times a player led the league in BA/OBP/SLG and OPS.

 

Hornsby - 7

Williams - 5

Cobb - 4

Wagner - 4

Lajoie - 2

Musial - 2

Bonds - 2

 

With one:

Foxx

Ruth

F. Robinson

Yaz

Gehrig

Speaker

Brett

F. Lynn

Helton

Mauer

Walker

 

Miggy is currently leading in all 4 categories FWIW.

[jersey cubs fan]

Started down my own rabbit hole looking to see the most times a player led the league in BA/OBP/SLG and OPS.

Miggy is currently leading in all 4 categories FWIW.

 

Once you lead in OBP and SLG, the OPS is a given.

[Clem Fandango]

Settle down, Gary Thorne

[Clem Fandango]

After his 7IP 1H shut down performance last night, Jose Fernandez now sits at a 5.9 bWAR. He has one start left before they shut him down. I'm having a hard time, however, figuring out why FanGraphs has him at a 4.2 fWAR only though. His numbers, even when you factor in FIP and xFIP, are tremendous. Feels like he should be valued more on FanGraphs than 4.2.

 

His numbers thus far as a 20/21 year old...

 

                                                                                                                                           
Year   Age  Tm  Lg  W L W-L%  ERA  G GS GF CG SHO SV    IP   H  R ER HR BB IBB  SO HBP BK WP  BF ERA+  WHIP H/9 HR/9 BB/9 SO/9 SO/BB Awards
2013    20 MIA  NL 11 6 .647 2.23 27 27  0  0   0  0 165.2 106 46 41  9 55   5 182   5  1  3 652  175 0.972 5.8  0.5  3.0  9.9  3.31     AS

[sneakypower]

fangraphs has higher threshold for replacement level, i think (but there had been talk about standardizing this); his (ERA-based) RA9-WAR is 5.4, good for 5th in baseball

 

i'm not crazy about prioritizing FIP over ERA for pitchers, unless you're trying to better account for a spectacularly shitty/fantastic defensive team; i just think it's foolish to completely dismiss the skill of missing barrels

[Guest]

Cesar Izturis - he of the .457 SLG OPS this year - batted second for the Reds today.

 

In the ninth, with the game tied, Dusty had Shin Soo Choo sac bunt with a runner on first and no outs and Izturis coming up next. Unsurprisingly, the Reds didn't score that inning.

[SABR Gamer]

fangraphs has higher threshold for replacement level, i think (but there had been talk about standardizing this); his (ERA-based) RA9-WAR is 5.4, good for 5th in baseball

 

i'm not crazy about prioritizing FIP over ERA for pitchers, unless you're trying to better account for a spectacularly [expletive]/fantastic defensive team; i just think it's foolish to completely dismiss the skill of missing barrels

 

Fangraphs and Baseball-Reference already standardized replacement level. That's not a factor anymore.

[Clem Fandango]

fangraphs has higher threshold for replacement level, i think (but there had been talk about standardizing this); his (ERA-based) RA9-WAR is 5.4, good for 5th in baseball

 

i'm not crazy about prioritizing FIP over ERA for pitchers, unless you're trying to better account for a spectacularly [expletive]/fantastic defensive team; i just think it's foolish to completely dismiss the skill of missing barrels

 

Fangraphs and Baseball-Reference already standardized replacement level. That's not a factor anymore.

 

If I recall, this was for offensive players only?

 

I'm not neccesarily prioritizing FIP over ERa, I'm just pointing out that his FIP is just as good as his ERA. Verlander has a 3.59 ERA 3.50 FIP and a 3.86 xFIP and is only 0.3 fWAR behind Fernandez. [expletive]... Doug Fister has a 4.0 fWAR and he's at 3.66/3.27/3.52

[Guest]

Billy Hamilton has appeared in 4 games with the Reds this year. He's stolen four bases and scored three runs without recording a single plate appearance.

[SABR Gamer]

fangraphs has higher threshold for replacement level, i think (but there had been talk about standardizing this); his (ERA-based) RA9-WAR is 5.4, good for 5th in baseball

 

i'm not crazy about prioritizing FIP over ERA for pitchers, unless you're trying to better account for a spectacularly [expletive]/fantastic defensive team; i just think it's foolish to completely dismiss the skill of missing barrels

 

Fangraphs and Baseball-Reference already standardized replacement level. That's not a factor anymore.

 

If I recall, this was for offensive players only?

 

I'm not neccesarily prioritizing FIP over ERa, I'm just pointing out that his FIP is just as good as his ERA. Verlander has a 3.59 ERA 3.50 FIP and a 3.86 xFIP and is only 0.3 fWAR behind Fernandez. [expletive]... Doug Fister has a 4.0 fWAR and he's at 3.66/3.27/3.52

 

Replacement level isn't going to be different for pitchers or hitters, it's the same winning percentage (.294 or 47.7 wins). The career WARs of both hitters and pitchers changed when they standardized it.

 

The article below states that Jack Morris had a 56.9 career fWAR and 39.3 rWAR before and now has 52.5 fWAR and 43.8 rWAR. Differences in pitching WAR are now a result of the way each site calculates their WAR (FIP vs RA), and not replacement level differences.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/unifying-replacement-level/

[Guest]

How in the world is Manny Machado +30 in multiple defensive metrics?

[sneakypower]

How in the world is Manny Machado +30 in multiple defensive metrics?

now look at Juan Lagares

[Tracer Bullet]

Boy, all those people mocking the Marlins for starting Fernandez in the bigs at the beginning of the year look like complete [expletive] morons right now.

[Guest]

http://deadspin.com/jose-fernandez-hits-home-run-styles-and-profiles-benc-1297489041

 

i love him so much

[Sammy Sofa]

Christ, baseball players can really be a bunch of whiny babies sometimes.

[Guest]

Boy, all those people mocking the Marlins for starting Fernandez in the bigs at the beginning of the year look like complete [expletive] morons right now.

 

Yeah, I was one of those people. Still think it was a questionable decision to rush him given their financial situation, but he's definitelty been magnificent and proved he was ready.

[TruffleShuffle]

Boy, all those people mocking the Marlins for starting Fernandez in the bigs at the beginning of the year look like complete [expletive] morons right now.

 

depends whether they were mocking him because they thought he wasn't ready or because they were burning a full year of team control on a team that everybody knew was going to be terrible.

[Guest]

http://deadspin.com/jose-fernandez-hits-home-run-styles-and-profiles-benc-1297489041

 

i love him so much

 

I can't wait for Baez to piss some team off by styling one. It's going to be awesome.

[Clem Fandango]

http://deadspin.com/jose-fernandez-hits-home-run-styles-and-profiles-benc-1297489041

 

i love him so much

 

You just never know what you and the tens of others are going to see in Miami.

 

I lol'd

[Clem Fandango]

http://deadspin.com/jose-fernandez-hits-home-run-styles-and-profiles-benc-1297489041

 

i love him so much

 

You just never know what you and the tens of others are going to see in Miami.

 

I lol'd

[Tracer Bullet]

Boy, all those people mocking the Marlins for starting Fernandez in the bigs at the beginning of the year look like complete [expletive] morons right now.

 

depends whether they were mocking him because they thought he wasn't ready or because they were burning a full year of team control on a team that everybody knew was going to be terrible.

 

I actually wasn't talking about anyone here; I hadn't remembered anyone here made a comment about it.

 

But I don't know that team control matters to the marlins. If Loria wants to spend a billion dollars to try to win the WS one year, he will and he'll pay Fernandez to be on that team. If he doesn't, he'll ship the guy out with everyone else. I don't think he's losing a ton of sleep over burning a year on a guy that shaved more than a half point off his 2.74 ERA after the ASG. Egads. His trade value will now be significantly higher than if he'd spent the year owning AA.

[jersey cubs fan]

Boy, all those people mocking the Marlins for starting Fernandez in the bigs at the beginning of the year look like complete [expletive] morons right now.

 

depends whether they were mocking him because they thought he wasn't ready or because they were burning a full year of team control on a team that everybody knew was going to be terrible.

 

I actually wasn't talking about anyone here; I hadn't remembered anyone here made a comment about it.

 

But I don't know that team control matters to the marlins. If Loria wants to spend a billion dollars to try to win the WS one year, he will and he'll pay Fernandez to be on that team. If he doesn't, he'll ship the guy out with everyone else. I don't think he's losing a ton of sleep over burning a year on a guy that shaved more than a half point off his 2.74 ERA after the ASG. Egads. His trade value will now be significantly higher than if he'd spent the year owning AA.

 

So I read last night about some Fernandez guy hitting his first homerun and pissing people off, then saw your post about how awesome he is, which did not compute. It took me until this post to realize this was a pitcher.

[TruffleShuffle]

But I don't know that team control matters to the marlins. If Loria wants to spend a billion dollars to try to win the WS one year, he will and he'll pay Fernandez to be on that team. If he doesn't, he'll ship the guy out with everyone else. I don't think he's losing a ton of sleep over burning a year on a guy that shaved more than a half point off his 2.74 ERA after the ASG. Egads. His trade value will now be significantly higher than if he'd spent the year owning AA.

 

i'm not really an ace on the arbitration and team control stuff, but i know there are various points throughout the season which are benchmarks as far as team control. i thought they could set his arbitration clock by a year just by keeping him in the minors until late april or mid may or something. seems to me that a pathetic team should take advantage of that. but you're right about loria, he's probably raking in money because of revenue sharing and their pathetically low payroll.

[Clem Fandango]

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