Minor League Draft - 2012

[abuck1220]

So if Cespedes starts the year in the minors for 6 weeks, the team that drafted him just has to stash him on the bench?

 

i vote you can put him in the minors.

 

The point I'm getting at is you can't draft someone in the ML draft and move him to the minors if he starts the year there, right?

 

normally that would be the case, and i don't know if i really like it. i think the minor league draft was put in place a) to make sure june draftees weren't just plucked off the waiver wire mid season and b) to prevent people from drafting a ton of prospects in the major league draft (namely, tim).

[abuck1220]

SPIRIT OF THE RULES.

 

Always the jackass......

 

i thought you weren't going to talk to me.

[Guest]

SPIRIT OF THE RULES.

 

Always the jackass......

 

i thought you weren't going to talk to me.

 

Yeah, I made the mistake of asking for your opinion on how these players should be drafted, and I should have known to expect that type of an answer. Once an ass, always an ass. And frankly, I'm just not going to deal with it again this year.

 

The only reason I stuck around this long was that you haven't been whining or attacking others with your childish posts. Thought you might have been growing up just a little bit. Alas, I was wrong. Still the same old Adam and I'm not doing another 6 months of this.

 

My apologies to everyone else, but I quit. Please replace me!

[abuck1220]

oh come on

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So if Cespedes starts the year in the minors for 6 weeks, the team that drafted him just has to stash him on the bench?

 

i vote you can put him in the minors.

 

The point I'm getting at is you can't draft someone in the ML draft and move him to the minors if he starts the year there, right?

 

normally that would be the case, and i don't know if i really like it. i think the minor league draft was put in place a) to make sure june draftees weren't just plucked off the waiver wire mid season and b) to prevent people from drafting a ton of prospects in the major league draft (namely, tim).

 

Soler goes...

 

I think there has to be a penalty of sorts for drafting international FAs in the ML draft. Losing the player outright is too stiff, but not putting them in the minors is fair. Teams can decide if Cespedes is worth an early pick knowing that they have to stash him on a short bench for as long as he's in the minors. Same for Soler (and same for Darvish, though the risk is lower).

[abuck1220]

i say soler is for sure in the prospect draft.

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Bright line rule is much better than case by case. If someone wants to draft Soler and stash him in the majors all year, have at it. Better to allow each team to make it's own risk assessment with international FAs then have to decide on each guy.

 

I say make them all major league available but no guy drafted in the ML draft can be put in the minors until the following 2/14 roster setting date.

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SPIRIT OF THE RULES.

 

Always the jackass......

 

i thought you weren't going to talk to me.

 

Yeah, I made the mistake of asking for your opinion on how these players should be drafted, and I should have known to expect that type of an answer. Once an ass, always an ass. And frankly, I'm just not going to deal with it again this year.

 

The only reason I stuck around this long was that you haven't been whining or attacking others with your childish posts. Thought you might have been growing up just a little bit. Alas, I was wrong. Still the same old Adam and I'm not doing another 6 months of this.

 

My apologies to everyone else, but I quit. Please replace me!

 

Whoa. Ok. We only have 10 days if we want to start the draft on 3/1. But I'm sure there are some folks that would be interested. BBB's roster isn't like nccf's was.

 

I've got some posters I can think of that would make good replacements.

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why don't we just decide on a case-by-case basis, with the rule of thumb that if a guy is mid 20s or older and an established good player in his native league (cuba, japan, etc), then he should be in the major league draft and not the minor league one. basically, if a guy is coming over and is widely expected to make or contend for a major league role immediately, he goes in the major league draft. this would include darvish, ichiro, daisuke, cespedes, alexei ramirez, kaz matsui, kosuke, that new mariners pitcher (iwakuma), the twins 2b from last year (forget his name), etc.

 

soler is 19 years old, isn't an established star in cuba and is expected to take at least 2 years of development to be major league ready. i'd just chuck him in the minor league draft.

 

there aren't THAT many major league-ready foreign players coming over each offseason, and it won't take long for us to go through the handful of names.

[Quakers]

Whoa, this has turned ito quite a discussion with several good ideas. I just wanted to point out that our current rules could lead to issues. Most of what has been suggested is OK by me, but keep it simple. Our commish doesn't want to have to be checking line-ups on a regular basis.

 

options

 

1) Keep rule as it was last year. If you pick him in the major league draft, he needs to be with the team on opening day or you lose him. Problem - may result in a wasted pick as Darvish and/or Cepedes gets a quick tune-up in the minors at season's start. Doubtful.

 

2) Anyone eligible for the minors has to be chosen in the prospect draft. Problem - Some players are obviously not prospects anymore.

 

3) We agree that there are two? (Cepedes and Darvish) who qualify for the major league draft and anyone else who could be placed in the minors has to be chosen in the prospect draft. Problem - Just two or are there more?

 

4) Anyone chosen in the major league draft cannot be placed in the minors all year. Problem - Players are injured and spend time in the minors.

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I'm not sure if #4 is a summary of my suggestion. If so, it's not quite right. My suggestion is if you draft an international FA in the ML draft, you can't put him on your minor league roster if he starts the year in the minors. So if there are guys that may start the year in the majors or minors, you account for that risk in drafting that player. It's the most bright line, bias free resolution bc it's the same every year for all international FAs.

 

I wouldn't suggest that any player drafted in the ML draft can't play in the minors. And if they're rehabbing in the minors, they're probably on the ML DL anyway.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm not sure if #4 is a summary of my suggestion. If so, it's not quite right. My suggestion is if you draft an international FA in the ML draft, you can't put him on your minor league roster if he starts the year in the minors. So if there are guys that may start the year in the majors or minors, you account for that risk in drafting that player. It's the most bright line, bias free resolution bc it's the same every year for all international FAs.

 

I wouldn't suggest that any player drafted in the ML draft can't play in the minors. And if they're rehabbing in the minors, they're probably on the ML DL anyway.

 

Are we making this rule only for international signees? Reason I ask is that if we included rule 4 draftees, someone would definitely take a Strasburg and stash him on their bench for a couple of months. Hell, a bad team would probably take a Trevor Bauer or Anthony Rendon and stash them on the bench for a year.

 

If it is just international free agents, I think your plan will work fine. Darvish will go really high. Cespedes will go in the major league draft. I don't know that someone would want to have Soler taking up space on their major league bench for two years, so he'd likely end up in the minor league phase (and be drafted fairly late, since the 2011 rule 4 draft was loaded)

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International FAs only and for that reason.

[moochpuppy]

BA lists both Darvish and Cespedes as prospects.

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And they're both eligible for the ROY but we don't have FA budgets so I think we need one rule for all international FAs.

[bukie]

I vote all international FAs are eligible for the major league draft, but there are complications:

 

1) What happens if an international FA doesn't sign with a team until after the draft starts (the Soler rule)? Does he become a free-for-all on waivers when his record gets created?

 

2) What happens if an international FA doesn't get drafted in the major league draft, but is eligible for the minors (Concepcion)? Waivers or minor league draft?

 

3) If an international FA is drafted in the major league draft and doesn't make his big league club, is he eligible for the minor league roster (Cespedes)?

[Guest]

BA lists both Darvish and Cespedes as prospects.

 

BA uses rookie of the year guidelines for their prospects lists (though they ignore playing time limits, a.k.a. the Joe Mauer exception). Darvish clearly will break camp with the Rangers big league squad and should be drafted in the MLB Draft, just like Matzusaka and Fukudome before him.

 

Cespedes is interesting because there's a chance he could spend the majority of this season at AAA but he could easily break camp with the A's. Soler is headed to A-ball and is a few years away from the big leagues so he should definitely be in the Prospect Draft.

[Guest]

I vote all international FAs are eligible for the major league draft, but there are complications:

 

1) What happens if an international FA doesn't sign with a team until after the draft starts (the Soler rule)? Does he become a free-for-all on waivers when his record gets created?

 

2) What happens if an international FA doesn't get drafted in the major league draft, but is eligible for the minors (Concepcion)? Waivers or minor league draft?

 

3) If an international FA is drafted in the major league draft and doesn't make his big league club, is he eligible for the minor league roster (Cespedes)?

 

If Soler hasn't signed with a team by our Prospect Draft, I'd say he should just be eligible for the 2013 Prospect Draft and not be allowed to be a waiver pickup like a player eligible for the draft who went undrafted.

[abuck1220]

If Soler hasn't signed with a team by our Prospect Draft, I'd say he should just be eligible for the 2013 Prospect Draft and not be allowed to be a waiver pickup like a player eligible for the draft who went undrafted.

 

agreed.

 

anyone have a problem with just stating darvish and cespedes are eligible for the major league draft? and they can be put in your minors if they, for some reason, don't break camp with the team?

[bukie]

If Soler hasn't signed with a team by our Prospect Draft, I'd say he should just be eligible for the 2013 Prospect Draft and not be allowed to be a waiver pickup like a player eligible for the draft who went undrafted.

 

agreed.

 

anyone have a problem with just stating darvish and cespedes are eligible for the major league draft? and they can be put in your minors if they, for some reason, don't break camp with the team?

Fine with me, I just didn't want to end up missing anyone that I may not have heard of that got signed elsewhere in the offseason.

[Guest]

If Soler hasn't signed with a team by our Prospect Draft, I'd say he should just be eligible for the 2013 Prospect Draft and not be allowed to be a waiver pickup like a player eligible for the draft who went undrafted.

 

agreed.

 

anyone have a problem with just stating darvish and cespedes are eligible for the major league draft? and they can be put in your minors if they, for some reason, don't break camp with the team?

 

I don't have a problem with that.

[Guest]

Also, I'd love to trade for a 1st rounder in the Prospect Draft.

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If Soler hasn't signed with a team by our Prospect Draft, I'd say he should just be eligible for the 2013 Prospect Draft and not be allowed to be a waiver pickup like a player eligible for the draft who went undrafted.

 

agreed.

 

anyone have a problem with just stating darvish and cespedes are eligible for the major league draft? and they can be put in your minors if they, for some reason, don't break camp with the team?

 

What's wrong with a simple rule? I thought you didn't like rules with exceptions?

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I vote all international FAs are eligible for the major league draft, but there are complications:

 

1) What happens if an international FA doesn't sign with a team until after the draft starts (the Soler rule)? Does he become a free-for-all on waivers when his record gets created?

 

2) What happens if an international FA doesn't get drafted in the major league draft, but is eligible for the minors (Concepcion)? Waivers or minor league draft?

 

3) If an international FA is drafted in the major league draft and doesn't make his big league club, is he eligible for the minor league roster (Cespedes)?

 

These aren't major issues. Any IFA that isn't drafted in the ML draft is eligible in the prospect draft. Everyone expects Soler to be signed soon, so he should be available like the rest.

 

#3 is a big reason for my proposal. You have to stash him on your bench as long as he's in the minors. It prevents people from taking guys like Soler in the ML draft. But it allows each team to decide what level of risk they're comfortable with for guys like Cespedes who will probably start in the minors.

 

I don't like abuck's plan as it allows people to draft a guy in the ML draft when he could spend most of the year in the minors and there's no risk to the team that drafts him.

[moochpuppy]

If Soler hasn't signed with a team by our Prospect Draft, I'd say he should just be eligible for the 2013 Prospect Draft and not be allowed to be a waiver pickup like a player eligible for the draft who went undrafted.

 

agreed.

 

anyone have a problem with just stating darvish and cespedes are eligible for the major league draft? and they can be put in your minors if they, for some reason, don't break camp with the team?

 

I have no problem with this.