Carlos Pena

[Lefty]

We offered arbitration, he refused. Are we still allowed to sign him before the season?

[Guest]

We offered arbitration, he refused. Are we still allowed to sign him before the season?

 

Yes.

[davell]

We offered arbitration, he refused. Are we still allowed to sign him before the season?

 

Yes.

Yeah, but the pick we'll receive for losing him is more important than allowing him to be a stopgap for us. Sign anyone other than him, at this point, in my opinion.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We offered arbitration, he refused. Are we still allowed to sign him before the season?

 

Yes.

Yeah, but the pick we'll receive for losing him is more important than allowing him to be a stopgap for us. Sign anyone other than him, at this point, in my opinion.

 

Didn't they change that so there's a more select list of players that will cost a team draft picks? This being said, not signing Pena has little to do with the draft picks as much as it has to do with the fact that he's not part of where Theo wants to go with this team. I think that Fielders still an option if we can get him on Theos terms, but other than that I think that someone like Rizzo, Anderson, or Barton will be manning 1st by opening day.

[mul21]

We offered arbitration, he refused. Are we still allowed to sign him before the season?

 

Yes.

Yeah, but the pick we'll receive for losing him is more important than allowing him to be a stopgap for us. Sign anyone other than him, at this point, in my opinion.

 

Didn't they change that so there's a more select list of players that will cost a team draft picks? This being said, not signing Pena has little to do with the draft picks as much as it has to do with the fact that he's not part of where Theo wants to go with this team. I think that Fielders still an option if we can get him on Theos terms, but other than that I think that someone like Rizzo, Anderson, or Barton will be manning 1st by opening day.

 

If you think this, you haven't been paying attention. Getting more picks has everything to do with why signing Pena isn't ideal. With the new limits on spending, getting supplemental picks high in the draft is even more important than it used to be.

[davell]

The last list I saw, Pena was the 58th pick in the draft. Aramis was like 43rd. Couple that with the 6th pick and the 65th(2nd rounder at last update) and it does two things: first, it'd give us 4 picks in the top 65, which is extremely valuable. Secondly, it'd increase our signing pool allotment. Teams with extra picks get a bump from their original apending amount. Gives Theo the ability to spend more on a few bigtime difference makes that maybe fall due to signability concerns. It's going to be extremely interesting to see how we approach the draft. I'm sure there will be some signability types, but I think we'll be one of the biggest risk takers out there.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We offered arbitration, he refused. Are we still allowed to sign him before the season?

 

Yes.

Yeah, but the pick we'll receive for losing him is more important than allowing him to be a stopgap for us. Sign anyone other than him, at this point, in my opinion.

 

Didn't they change that so there's a more select list of players that will cost a team draft picks? This being said, not signing Pena has little to do with the draft picks as much as it has to do with the fact that he's not part of where Theo wants to go with this team. I think that Fielders still an option if we can get him on Theos terms, but other than that I think that someone like Rizzo, Anderson, or Barton will be manning 1st by opening day.

 

If you think this, you haven't been paying attention. Getting more picks has everything to do with why signing Pena isn't ideal. With the new limits on spending, getting supplemental picks high in the draft is even more important than it used to be.

 

Not finding it necessary to pay Carlos Pena another 10 million dollars, this time for 2-3 years when he's not going to make a contender out of this team has more to do with not signing Carlos Pena. I can assure you that if we had a team that looked like it was 1 power bat away from fringe contention but we didn't want to pay Fielders asking price, Carlos Pena would be an option rather than hoping that Brian LaHair can produce. I'm not saying that it's not good to get the draft pick, but I highly doubt that it's what's keeping us from re-signing Pena when we have a clear need at the position he plays.

[mul21]

Nope, it has about 98% to do with getting the extra pick. And like davell said, getting more picks means not only do you get to pick more highly ranked players, it means you get more slot money to spend on those guys. There are comparable talents to Pena out there and they're about a 100% lock to be signed by the Cubs before him simply because of the pick being such a big factor. If you don't see that as the reason, I don't know what else to tell you.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Agree to disagree. Carlos Pena will get a 2 year deal or at least a 1 year with an option or 2 at 10 mil give or take per year. What we need is a 1st baseman for the future. Prince Fielder is still option #1 an if we miss out, we'll either trade for 1 of the guys I mentioned before or give LaHair a shot until another option presents itself or perhaps trade for one of the same guys during the season. Carlos Pena is as far from what this team needs in a player and a contract as can be, and that is why Carlos Pena will not be a Cub next season. The pick is surely more incentive or they wouldn't have risked offering arb to begin with unless it was already agreed that he'd decline but not 98% of the reason.

[Tracer Bullet]

Or we can agree that you're wrong. Either way.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The minute Pena was signed last year, before the outlook on 2012 was looking as dismal as it does now, it was clear to pretty much everyone but Carlos Pena that it was going to be a one and done. Why? Because there were better available options for 2012 and a lot of people almost took it for granted that Pujols or Fielder would be wearing a Cubs uniform before Pena ever put one on. There are still other options even if we dont sign Fielder that make far more sense than Pena considering the directio of the team. The draft pick didn't enter into it. While you can sell me on thinking that the reason Pena wasn't traded last August was because because the draft pick was more valuable than the return you can't tell me that the reason he won't be a Cub in 2012 is because of the draft pick.

[mul21]

The minute Pena was signed last year, before the outlook on 2012 was looking as dismal as it does now, it was clear to pretty much everyone but Carlos Pena that it was going to be a one and done. Why? Because there were better available options for 2012 and a lot of people almost took it for granted that Pujols or Fielder would be wearing a Cubs uniform before Pena ever put one on. There are still other options even if we dont sign Fielder that make far more sense than Pena considering the directio of the team. The draft pick didn't enter into it. While you can sell me on thinking that the reason Pena wasn't traded last August was because because the draft pick was more valuable than the return you can't tell me that the reason he won't be a Cub in 2012 is because of the draft pick.

 

Actually, we can tell you that. You just refuse to believe it even though it's true.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The minute Pena was signed last year, before the outlook on 2012 was looking as dismal as it does now, it was clear to pretty much everyone but Carlos Pena that it was going to be a one and done. Why? Because there were better available options for 2012 and a lot of people almost took it for granted that Pujols or Fielder would be wearing a Cubs uniform before Pena ever put one on. There are still other options even if we dont sign Fielder that make far more sense than Pena considering the directio of the team. The draft pick didn't enter into it. While you can sell me on thinking that the reason Pena wasn't traded last August was because because the draft pick was more valuable than the return you can't tell me that the reason he won't be a Cub in 2012 is because of the draft pick.

 

Actually, we can tell you that. You just refuse to believe it even though it's true.

 

Fine.

[Sammy Sofa]

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