Prado and Jurrjens on the market?

[davell]

That's one reason I'm pretty high on trading for the pair. Short of trading for Wright, I don't see another option out there at 3B remotely close to what Prado could be for us. And the pair is only going to cost about 10 mill in salary next year. Which would still give us around 20 mill or so for 1B and more pitching and that's if we keep the payroll at 130. We could have more by dumping a guy like Byrd as well, especially if we go after Sizemore.

[17 Seconds]

they'd be wise to trade him now; some dumbass org will see his ERA this past year and start drooling.

 

but not us!

 

it makes me so happy that posts like these are no longer sarcastic.

[Guest]

Braves supposedly offered the Royals the pair for Will Myers and Lorenzo Cain. Myers value is down a tad, but we could come up with something comparable here, couldn't we? Maybe Szczur, Cashner, and their choice of McNutt or Barney? Maybe we have to toss in Lake or Vitters? I'm higher on this pair than most appear to be. But I think Jurrjens is our 2, if we get him and Prado's versatility gives us options moving forward as well.

 

The Cubs have no one as good as Will Myers and even if they did, there's no way I'd trade him for Jurrgens and Prado.

[dew1679666265]

That's one reason I'm pretty high on trading for the pair. Short of trading for Wright, I don't see another option out there at 3B remotely close to what Prado could be for us.

 

Chase Headley: career .735 OPS/.327 wOBA/1.9 avg WAR/7.8 UZR/150 at 3B/27 years old

Martin Prado: career .775 OPS/.337 wOBA/1.7 avg WAR/2.7 UZR/150 at 3B/29 years old

 

Prado has the advantage in OPS and somewhat in wOBA, but Headley has the defensive and WAR advantage and is younger. And Headley was a much better player in the minors than Prado. Headley will also be cheaper longer than Prado as Headley won't hit FA until 2015, while Prado will be a free agent in 2014.

 

There is no guarantee Headley will be available, but I'd almost definitely prefer him to Prado at the same price.

[mookie]

Chase Headley would indeed be a coup, and a much better acquisition than Prado. I am not high on Jair, especially not for the rumored asking price. The Royals have the ability to land much higher talent with the likes of Wil Myers.

[Guest]

That's one reason I'm pretty high on trading for the pair. Short of trading for Wright, I don't see another option out there at 3B remotely close to what Prado could be for us.

 

Chase Headley: career .735 OPS/.327 wOBA/1.9 avg WAR/7.8 UZR/150 at 3B/27 years old

Martin Prado: career .775 OPS/.337 wOBA/1.7 avg WAR/2.7 UZR/150 at 3B/29 years old

 

Prado has the advantage in OPS and somewhat in wOBA, but Headley has the defensive and WAR advantage and is younger. And Headley was a much better player in the minors than Prado. Headley will also be cheaper longer than Prado as Headley won't hit FA until 2015, while Prado will be a free agent in 2014.

 

There is no guarantee Headley will be available, but I'd almost definitely prefer him to Prado at the same price.

Probably no need to reinforce this, but Headley's numbers have been deflated by playing in Petco.

[Backtobanks]

From MLBTR:

 

•The Braves will reportedly listen on Martin Prado​ and Renck wonders if Seth Smith would be enough to pry him away from Atlanta. Prado should get about $4.4MM in arbitration and the Braves are in search of a corner bat.

 

How about getting involved with this deal:

 

Rockies trade Seth Smith to the Braves and Houston Street to the Cubs.

Braves trade Martin Prado to the Rockies and Jair Jurrjens to the Cubs.

Cubs trade Marlon Byrd to the Braves and Carlos Marmol to the Rockies.

 

Braves have solid corner OF rotation of Byrd, Smith, Heywood, Constanza.

Rockies get solid 2B (Prado) and closer/set up combination of Marmol/Betancourt.

Cubs get rotation depth (Jurrjens) and closer/trade bait (Street).

[Butterscup1679666578]

#3teamtrades

[mookie]

It's been a while.

[Little Slide Rooter]

How would this sound as a package for Prado and Jurrjens:

 

1. Marlon Byrd: Cubs pick up most of the salary productive, veteran starter. only a 1 year commitment.

2. Darwin Barney: quality piece. Could be a starting SS, could be a utility MI.

3. 2 of Vitters, Lake, DeWitt, LeMahieu, Flaherty, Alcantara, Hernandez, Amaya, Ha, Silva.

4. 2, low level pitchers. They don't need any big league ready pitching, in the rotation or pen, but there's always room for young high ceiling pitchers. Someone like Rhee, Beeler, Peralta, Antigua, Kurcz, Liria, or one of the Austins. If they insist on McNutt, I'd include him but not a 2nd pitcher, or else incliude a 2nd pitcher and only one from group 3.

 

That's 5-6 quality pieces right there at various levels. Sounds like a lot, but we're fishing for 2 young, quality big league players. Maybe they kick us a fringe prospect or 2 to even out the numbers.

[Backtobanks]

How would this sound as a package for Prado and Jurrjens:

 

1. Marlon Byrd: Cubs pick up most of the salary productive, veteran starter. only a 1 year commitment.

2. Darwin Barney: quality piece. Could be a starting SS, could be a utility MI.

3. 2 of Vitters, Lake, DeWitt, LeMahieu, Flaherty, Alcantara, Hernandez, Amaya, Ha, Silva.

4. 2, low level pitchers. They don't need any big league ready pitching, in the rotation or pen, but there's always room for young high ceiling pitchers. Someone like Rhee, Beeler, Peralta, Antigua, Kurcz, Liria, or one of the Austins. If they insist on McNutt, I'd include him but not a 2nd pitcher, or else incliude a 2nd pitcher and only one from group 3.

 

That's 5-6 quality pieces right there at various levels. Sounds like a lot, but we're fishing for 2 young, quality big league players. Maybe they kick us a fringe prospect or 2 to even out the numbers.

 

Where's the 3rd team? :lol:

[Guest]

Prado is only about a half step better than Barney, Jurrjens is only about a half step better than Wells, and both have 2 years to FA. They aren't worth elaborate packages of prospects and players who can provide 80+% of their value that are currently on the roster.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Prado is only about a half step better than Barney, Jurrjens is only about a half step better than Wells, and both have 2 years to FA. They aren't worth elaborate packages of prospects and players who can provide 80+% of their value that are currently on the roster.

 

Disagree. Before last year, Prado had 3 consecitve years with .300s/.800s. I think he's worth seeing if he can rebound, and at 28 it's quite realistic. Jurrjens may be similar to Wells in the fact that they're softer tossers, but Jurrjens has had far more success and is 4 years younger. I agree that he is often mistakenly given ace status due to his ERA, but he'd still be a great 2 behind Garza, and if we could get an actual "ace" to anchor the rotation, all of the sudden Ace, Garza, Jurrjens, Dempster, Z/Wells/Cashner looks pretty good and beyond this year, ace, Garza, Jurrgens, Cashner, Wells/McNutt/whoever is too.

 

however, rather than

 

2 of Vitters, Lake, DeWitt, LeMahieu, Flaherty, Alcantara, Hernandez, Amaya, Ha, Silva.

 

1 of Vitters, Lake, Alcantara, Ha, Hernandez, Amaya

1 of DeWitt, Flaherty, LeMahieu, Baker

 

is more reasonable.

[Guest]

Prado is probably the rare guy who figured something out at the MLB level, but he's still a small guy with little MiLB track record. He's not a good bet to exceed a 3 WAR, and he doesn't have the consistency to fall back on with last year's performance. Maybe by himself he's a nice bounceback guy if you can get him without paying through the nose since he's got some skills and won't be a financial burden, but he's more of a Mark DeRosa than a core piece for the next 4 years.

 

Jurrjens is not a number 2 pitcher, whatever that label means. He doesn't strike anyone out, and last year was the first time his walk rate wasn't mediocre or worse. He hasn't thrown more than 152 IP/23 GS since 2009, and his combined WAR the last two years is < 3. Garza is better, Dempster is better, Z is probably better if we let him pitch and consider offense, Cashner has more upside, and Wells has already had 2 seasons as good as his peak(and Wells can consistently avoid walking people). Plus, with Frank Wren being a bit of an idiot and Jurrjens' shiny ERA number, there's no way he's not going to require compensation that's every bit and more of appropriate value. He's not a good target.

[dew1679666265]

How would this sound as a package for Prado and Jurrjens:

 

I'm with TT on Prado and Jurrjens - Prado will be 29 next year and isn't a sure thing to continue to be highly productive and Jurrjens has a ton of question marks, including a mysterious, consistent drop in velocity the past few years. I wouldn't oppose acquiring either, but I wouldn't give the type of package they'll command or you suggested.

 

I'd much rather overpay for Headley (even with McNutt+, which I've been reluctant to do) than overpay for a Prado/Jurrjens package.

[pitchcs]

Going off TT's thought that Prado figured something out late, I feel like a pretty good comp is a tad younger Cubs version Mark DeRosa.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Braves want a "good prospect(s)" in addition to Seth Smith from the Rockies in a deal for Martin Prado

 

Really Braves? Really?