What to do with Colvin?

[Backtobanks]

Why do people refuse to acknowledge that BJ Upton has been bad for 3 years now? He's 27, and to be honest, if Colvin were to play a full season as a full time player, his numbers would likely look very similar to Uptons the past 3 years. Yeah, I'd give Upton a chance, but I damn sure wouldn't give up multiple top prospects for him. I wouldn't use Colvin as a a throw in, I'd build a package around Colvin and maybe Barney if they wanted and a few mid level prospects. My offer would look something like Colvin, Barney, Dolis, and maybe kick them a few older prospects like we did with the Garza trade if they send us something else as well. If they insisted, I'd replace one of the others with someone along the lines of a Watkins/Lake/Gonzalez, but that's about it.

 

And he's about to make too much money for the Rays. Your deal sounds good to me, but I think the Cubs would be reluctant to trade Barney until they're sure that the prospects can replace him.

[Backtobanks]

Play him and hope that Rudy can teach him something now and during the offseason. If things don't improve, use him as part of a trade package. He might be a decent throw-in for the Rays in a trade to get Upton - power potential, a lot less money.

Why exactly would we want Upton when our best prospect is a CF?

 

When Jackson shows that he's he can handle the job, then we can flip Upton. If we got him for something along the lines of what WSR suggested, we didn't give up anything too valuable for him anyhow.

[sneakypower]

Melvin's floor > Colvin's ceiling

 

and i never understand the assertion that you can't put 2 CFs in your OF, many teams are doing that right now to great success

[fromthestretch]

Why do people refuse to acknowledge that BJ Upton has been bad for 3 years now?

 

Probably because that's not an accurate assessment of his production the last three years.

 

He was bad in 2009...offensively anyway.

 

He was a 4+ win player in 2010, which isn't bad at all.

 

He's been about league average (OPS-wise) this season.

 

People look at batting average and think he's a bad player. Accept the fact that he isn't going to hit for a great average and that he's going to strikeout quite a bit. Then realize that he runs well, can hit for decent power, is capable of drawing some walks, and plays a pretty good CF. I'm curious to see what he could do with a change of scenery and a more hitter-friendly environment.

 

His OPS has been nothing to write home about either. If he was at least in the high .700s, that would be one thing, but his OPS over the past 3 years has been I think .650 something, .740 something, and .701 this season. Again, I'd take him, but wouldn't overpay for him.

 

I don't think that anyone's advocating trading the farm for him, but you can't look at his OPS without putting it into context. He plays half his games in an environment that is essentially the anti-Coors Field.

[KingCubsFan]

Play him and hope that Rudy can teach him something now and during the offseason. If things don't improve, use him as part of a trade package. He might be a decent throw-in for the Rays in a trade to get Upton - power potential, a lot less money.

Why exactly would we want Upton when our best prospect is a CF?

 

When Jackson shows that he's he can handle the job, then we can flip Upton. If we got him for something along the lines of what WSR suggested, we didn't give up anything too valuable for him anyhow.

He's currently doing well in AAA. How much more does he have to show?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Play him and hope that Rudy can teach him something now and during the offseason. If things don't improve, use him as part of a trade package. He might be a decent throw-in for the Rays in a trade to get Upton - power potential, a lot less money.

Why exactly would we want Upton when our best prospect is a CF?

 

When Jackson shows that he's he can handle the job, then we can flip Upton. If we got him for something along the lines of what WSR suggested, we didn't give up anything too valuable for him anyhow.

He's currently doing well in AAA. How much more does he have to show?

 

Jackson could be moved over to right, and trade Byrd. It's not like we have any other big league ready OF prospects. Szczur is probably the next on the list, and he's a few years away. Of course my preference would be to skip Upton, wait a year, and go for Kemp or Ethier.

[Backtobanks]

Play him and hope that Rudy can teach him something now and during the offseason. If things don't improve, use him as part of a trade package. He might be a decent throw-in for the Rays in a trade to get Upton - power potential, a lot less money.

Why exactly would we want Upton when our best prospect is a CF?

 

When Jackson shows that he's he can handle the job, then we can flip Upton. If we got him for something along the lines of what WSR suggested, we didn't give up anything too valuable for him anyhow.

He's currently doing well in AAA. How much more does he have to show?

 

I think (and hope) that Jackson is the real deal, but there are lots of players who do well in AAA and never make it in the ML.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Nuh uh. Name one.

[CubColtPacer]

Play him and hope that Rudy can teach him something now and during the offseason. If things don't improve, use him as part of a trade package. He might be a decent throw-in for the Rays in a trade to get Upton - power potential, a lot less money.

Why exactly would we want Upton when our best prospect is a CF?

 

When Jackson shows that he's he can handle the job, then we can flip Upton. If we got him for something along the lines of what WSR suggested, we didn't give up anything too valuable for him anyhow.

He's currently doing well in AAA. How much more does he have to show?

 

I think (and hope) that Jackson is the real deal, but there are lots of players who do well in AAA and never make it in the ML.

 

Sure, but the only way to know for sure is to give him consistent playing time. And to give him consistent playing time, you can't have somebody else blocking him. How can he prove himself in the majors if Upton is in front of him?

[KingCubsFan]

Why do people refuse to acknowledge that BJ Upton has been bad for 3 years now?

 

Probably because that's not an accurate assessment of his production the last three years.

 

He was bad in 2009...offensively anyway.

 

He was a 4+ win player in 2010, which isn't bad at all.

 

He's been about league average (OPS-wise) this season.

 

People look at batting average and think he's a bad player. Accept the fact that he isn't going to hit for a great average and that he's going to strikeout quite a bit. Then realize that he runs well, can hit for decent power, is capable of drawing some walks, and plays a pretty good CF. I'm curious to see what he could do with a change of scenery and a more hitter-friendly environment.

 

His OPS has been nothing to write home about either. If he was at least in the high .700s, that would be one thing, but his OPS over the past 3 years has been I think .650 something, .740 something, and .701 this season. Again, I'd take him, but wouldn't overpay for him.

 

I don't think that anyone's advocating trading the farm for him, but you can't look at his OPS without putting it into context. He plays half his games in an environment that is essentially the anti-Coors Field.

Other than this season (where the splits are extreme), his splits have been pretty even.

[Magnetic Curses]

upton could play 2nd base, right?

[Magnetic Curses]

Play him and hope that Rudy can teach him something now and during the offseason. If things don't improve, use him as part of a trade package. He might be a decent throw-in for the Rays in a trade to get Upton - power potential, a lot less money.

Why exactly would we want Upton when our best prospect is a CF?

 

When Jackson shows that he's he can handle the job, then we can flip Upton. If we got him for something along the lines of what WSR suggested, we didn't give up anything too valuable for him anyhow.

He's currently doing well in AAA. How much more does he have to show?

 

I think (and hope) that Jackson is the real deal, but there are lots of players who do well in AAA and never make it in the ML.

 

jackson's been successful at every level.

[dew1679666265]

Nuh uh. Name one.

 

Rosey Brown. You like that one?

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Why do people refuse to acknowledge that BJ Upton has been bad for 3 years now?

 

Probably because that's not an accurate assessment of his production the last three years.

 

He was bad in 2009...offensively anyway.

 

He was a 4+ win player in 2010, which isn't bad at all.

 

He's been about league average (OPS-wise) this season.

 

People look at batting average and think he's a bad player. Accept the fact that he isn't going to hit for a great average and that he's going to strikeout quite a bit. Then realize that he runs well, can hit for decent power, is capable of drawing some walks, and plays a pretty good CF. I'm curious to see what he could do with a change of scenery and a more hitter-friendly environment.

 

His OPS has been nothing to write home about either. If he was at least in the high .700s, that would be one thing, but his OPS over the past 3 years has been I think .650 something, .740 something, and .701 this season. Again, I'd take him, but wouldn't overpay for him.

 

He's been a league average hitter the last two years with a really bad '09 offensively. Even then he was a very efficient double digit SB guy (this year he's been off) and a top tier defensive CF. Depending on the price, he's the kind of player I think the Cubs should be looking for as well as big name superstars.

[Little Slide Rooter]

upton could play 2nd base, right?

 

He has, but I don't think he was much better than Alfonso Soriano.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Upton has an absolutely absurd home/road split this year: .565 OPS (55 OPS+) at home vs. an .827 OPS (134 OPS+) on the road.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Upton has an absolutely absurd home/road split this year: .565 OPS (55 OPS+) at home vs. an .827 OPS (134 OPS+) on the road.

 

Career home line:

 

.248/.336/.398

 

Career road line:

 

.261/.343/.422

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nuh uh. Name one.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dubois

[Sammy Sofa]

Too crazy for Boy's Town.

 

Too much of a boy for Crazy Town.