Playoffs- Week 1

[Guest]

i think you should be allowed to keep anyone who was on your roster at the end of our regular season. i.e. if i drop jimmy rollins then pick him back up in a week or whatever, i should be allowed to keep him. this doesn't give playoff teams any advantage over teams out of the playoffs as far as keepers go.

 

I would agree with this. Roster should be "frozen" to some extent at the end of the regular season. Maybe we should be allowed to expand rosters for the playoffs?

I'm fine with this.

 

Or expand the DL during the playoffs.

Easiest thing is just to let someone play with an illegal roster during the playoffs as long as they can justify it to their opponent's (and commish's) satisfaction.

bumped for Adam's benefit...

[abuck1220]

bumped for Adam's benefit...

 

yes, i realize you suggested allowing an illegal roster a couple days before you used an illegal roster. i don't really know what your point is.

 

Managing fantasy rosters in Sept is a bitch because no MLB player is ever put on the DL due to expanded rosters.

 

i agree. however, that is not at all your problem in this instance. your problem is not having enough DL spots (same problem i have had, as have others). except i've dropped the players i couldn't fit on my DL and you just said, hey illegal rosters are allowed.

[abuck1220]

don't really care though...doesn't effect me. i don't want anything to do with a bunch of price/verlander/lee starts if i make it to the finals anyway.

 

but we have some work to do on the rules after this season.

[Guest]

bumped for Adam's benefit...

 

yes, i realize you suggested allowing an illegal roster a couple days before you used an illegal roster. i don't really know what your point is.

 

Managing fantasy rosters in Sept is a bitch because no MLB player is ever put on the DL due to expanded rosters.

 

i agree. however, that is not at all your problem in this instance. your problem is not having enough DL spots (same problem i have had, as have others). except i've dropped the players i couldn't fit on my DL and you just said, hey illegal rosters are allowed.

lol - that's your take on how this all played out? ok. Here's a rough chronology of the earlier discussion in the thread:

 

1) You said you were having a problem and that roster management was hard during the playoffs because of september rosters & such

2) 1 person suggested expanding the DL

3) 1 person suggested expanding the roster as a whole

4) I agreed to any/all of the above

5) I suggested that it might just be easiest to go with an illegal roster with the permission of your opponent

6) NOBODY ARGUED WITH THIS FOR DAYS

7) THE FOLLOWING SCORING PERIOD, when Morneau would be DL'd during the regular season and I'd get my third bench spot, I added someone extra to the roster to get my 7 starts as Pineda was originally going to be shut down for the week (he's now showing as scheduled for a start, though)

8) When you pointed out that you've been dropping players, I said it isn't a problem if you want to pick them back up

 

Try as I might...I can't really see your complaint here, Adam.

[Guest]

don't really care though...doesn't effect me. i don't want anything to do with a bunch of price/verlander/lee starts if i make it to the finals anyway.

 

but we have some work to do on the rules after this season.

I'm going to have to have days like this nearly every day to win. I think Shane's scoring at least 350 this week given his pitching matchups.

[abuck1220]

you can't DL morneau anyway because your DL is full. that's my point. it has nothing to do with whether morneau is put on the mlb DL.

[abuck1220]

 

1) You said you were having a problem and that roster management was hard during the playoffs because of september rosters & such

 

yet here i sit with a perfectly legal roster.

 

because the alternative is kinda having rules/kinda not and that's not really possible to enforce. can you have an illegal roster just for one day or the whole week? can you go one over the limit or two? you can't have rules and then decide to half follow them.

[Guest]

you can't DL morneau anyway because your DL is full. that's my point. it has nothing to do with whether morneau is put on the mlb DL.

ah - gotcha. I would have dropped Sanchez as he's either shutdown for the year if you listen to his manager or really unreliable as a starter who has been out for a month and won't get a rehab start to tune back up. Definitely not a keeper and not someone anyone would give up quality picks/minor leaguers for after the season. Quentin may yet come back and contribute and Hanley and Morneau are keepers for me.

 

All moot with Pineda getting his start this week, though.

[Guest]

 

1) You said you were having a problem and that roster management was hard during the playoffs because of september rosters & such

 

yet here i sit with a perfectly legal roster.

 

because the alternative is kinda having rules/kinda not and that's not really possible to enforce. can you have an illegal roster just for one day or the whole week? can you go one over the limit or two? you can't have rules and then decide to half follow them.

Well, 15 people seem to be fine...

[abuck1220]

well, it's a little ridiculous to assume silence from the other players over a 3 day span when nearly all of them are eliminated and probably not checking this board means they are on board with this, but whatever.

 

my point is...and i really fail to see how anyone can not see this... is when you are literally making up the rules as you go along. what if i wanted to go 3 over the roster limit? 4? i mean, please tell me you understand this why this is not a good system.

[Guest]

In order to make certain to show I'm playing above the board here, I dropped Colon to make my roster legal. I was illegal for one day, but gained no benefit from it.

 

Sheesh.

[abuck1220]

come on, dude...don't do that thing where you act like i'm being an [expletive] because i think the rules should be enforced.

[Guest]

well, it's a little ridiculous to assume silence from the other players over a 3 day span when nearly all of them are eliminated and probably not checking this board means they are on board with this, but whatever.

 

my point is...and i really fail to see how anyone can not see this... is when you are literally making up the rules as you go along. what if i wanted to go 3 over the roster limit? 4? i mean, please tell me you understand this why this is not a good system.

Then I'm guessing your opponent would have had a problem with it.

 

It's pretty much impossible to create a set of rules for each and every situation. Nor do I feel that it is worth that level of effort if the managers in the league are willing to abide by the spirit of the rules and we have a place to communicate about special situations.

 

When I talked about 15 managers being in agreement, Adam, I meant about the general way the league is run as well as this particular situation. We've all had issues from time to time with particular rulings, but most of us manage to abide by them and still enjoy things.

 

btw - why did you not object to the ruling at the time? I know you were checking the board. Shane obviously didn't have a problem, nor the other people who have posted since then.

[Guest]

come on, dude...don't do that thing where you act like i'm being an [expletive] because i think the rules should be enforced.

For the most part, I think you're simply being abrasive in how you're questioning things and that part is okay.

 

I do think it was unnecessary and that you were a bit of an ass when you insinuated I purposefully set up that rule just so I could take advantage of the situation, though.

[abuck1220]

what if i wanted to go 3 over the roster limit? 4? i mean, please tell me you understand this why this is not a good system.

Then I'm guessing your opponent would have had a problem with it

 

why? why is 1 over ok but not 3? obviously the easiest and most practical solution is to simply say you can't go over. i mean, is it not?

 

It's pretty much impossible to create a set of rules for each and every situation.

 

not really. "the roster limit is X" pretty well takes care of this particular situation.

 

btw - why did you not object to the ruling at the time? I know you were checking the board. Shane obviously didn't have a problem, nor the other people who have posted since then.

 

i didn't know it was a vote, for one. for two, "allow illegal rosters for the playoffs" is pretty broad to just be thrown out there as a ruling.

[Guest]

what if i wanted to go 3 over the roster limit? 4? i mean, please tell me you understand this why this is not a good system.

Then I'm guessing your opponent would have had a problem with it

 

why? why is 1 over ok but not 3? obviously the easiest and most practical solution is to simply say you can't go over. i mean, is it not?

 

It's pretty much impossible to create a set of rules for each and every situation.

 

not really. "the roster limit is X" pretty well takes care of this particular situation.

 

btw - why did you not object to the ruling at the time? I know you were checking the board. Shane obviously didn't have a problem, nor the other people who have posted since then.

 

i didn't know it was a vote, for one. for two, "allow illegal rosters for the playoffs" is pretty broad to just be thrown out there as a ruling.

Well, considering it was really just attempting the easiest solution to the problem that you yourself brought up, I guess I'd expect more gratitude than grief.

 

Adam, maybe it is the lawyer in you that wants every single thing specified, codified and rigorously enforced. I'll say it again, but everyone else here seems willing to trust each other to do the right thing and not abuse the system.

[abuck1220]

actually, quite the opposite. i want fewer rules. for example...

 

current rule: 7 starts per week and lineups are due on monday. cannot make mid-week roster changes/pick up FA pitchers or promote minor leaguers to your active roster to get your 7 starts unless a) there is a rainout or b) there is an injury or c) you make a trade or d) a minor leaguer is promoted to the bigs or e) you forget to use one of your guys (maybe or maybe not applicable if you have another start on your bench that you could have, in theory, used) or f) your guy gets pushed back.

 

rule i would prefer: 7 starts per week.

 

do you really not understand my point about how difficult it is to use this "spirit of the rules" standard and how we just trust each other to "do the right thing?" i don't want more rules/more complicated rules...i want simpler rules that we have to follow. 99% of the arguments come from interpreting what is within the spirit or the rules or whatever...all this could be eliminated by simplifying the rules and then following those rules.

[moochpuppy]

rule i would prefer: 7 starts per week.

 

 

This one was already resolved by league vote. 9 owners in favor, 2 not and 3 said nothing.

[TruffleShuffle]

you would think that when 100% of the arguments start with one person, that person might realize that he's in the wrong or at least needs to relax a little bit.

[abuck1220]

or maybe we need rules that are actually followed instead of playing calvinball.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yup, 15 people are wrong and 1 person is right.

[abuck1220]

yep, 50 million people who play fantasy sports with rules are wrong the 15 who play with "spirit of the rules" are right.

[shnsajax]

You really should only play with those other 50 million people.

[abuck1220]

but i like my team.

[NCCubFan]

rule i would prefer: 7 starts per week.

 

 

This one was already resolved by league vote. 9 owners in favor, 2 not and 3 said nothing.

Are you confusing this with your other league? We have 16 owners in this league (you accounted for 14) and, although we've discussed this from time to time, I don't recall a formal vote (that doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't one; I could have forgotten about it).