week 21

[abuck1220]

8 hr and a 1.58 era and i'm getting my ass kicked. fun.

 

You actually gained yesterday and have a 2 start advantage on me with two very risky starts left.

Go Sox!

 

yeah, i was not anticipating 30 pts out of lincecum after his 27 pitch, 3 bb first inning. ogando is almost a guarantee for negative points tonight...he doesn't have the benefit of facing pawtucket like wilson did on monday.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

The Sanitizers and Dealers are 1 / 2 for points thus far this week in the league.

And someone is going to miss out on a playoff spot.

[abuck1220]

and one of us is going to be left out despite being in the top 3 in the entire league in points.

[Guest]

and one of us is going to be left out despite being in the top 3 in the entire league in points.

If we went by who had the best team and scored the most overall points, I'd have a lot more than one championship.

 

Downside of a head to head league.

[shnsajax]

and one of us is going to be left out despite being in the top 3 in the entire league in points.

If we went by who had the best team and scored the most overall points, I'd have a lot more than one championship.

 

Downside of a head to head league.

 

Wait, so I am not winning the Championship after this week?

[abuck1220]

and one of us is going to be left out despite being in the top 3 in the entire league in points.

If we went by who had the best team and scored the most overall points, I'd have a lot more than one championship.

 

Downside of a head to head league.

 

obviously. i have no problem with the h2h format, and i realize the playoffs are, like real sports, a bit of a crap shoot. my biggest gripe with the format is using h2h or, even worse, division record as a tie breaker.

 

if two teams have the same record, the better team (the team with more points) should get in. the inferior team who happened to get lucky the two weeks the teams faced each other shouldn't get in just based on those two random weeks. seems like common sense to me.

[abuck1220]

but then again, lots of stuff seems like common sense to me in this league and everyone thinks i'm a maniac. so either i'm insane or this board represents a tiny pocket of my own personal twilight zone.

[shnsajax]

So in the case of you and RWD on a per week basis RWD has avg. 1.7 points per week more than you. In the case of you vs. Bazinga's its 15 points per week. My point is there is no perfect way to mirror the best indicator as to who the better team is. At least in a H2H tiebreaker you had two chances to match each other for two 7 day periods your players vs his players. If he beats you by 30 points in each match up why can't he make the claim that he deserves to be there over you? You have scored as many as 398 and as little as 211 in any given week (excluding the All-Star break period). Total points don't represent how well your team will perform in any given week, as much as the say how many points your team is capable of putting up in a given week. Throw away the 2 highest and 2 lowest weeks if you want to count total points.

[NCCubFan]

but then again, lots of stuff seems like common sense to me in this league and everyone thinks i'm a maniac. so either i'm insane or this board represents a tiny pocket of my own personal twilight zone.

I might be insane too, but I agree with you on this issue. I think the head-to-head format is more fun, but I think the tie-breaker procedures could be discussed for possibly changing next year.

[abuck1220]

So in the case of you and RWD on a per week basis RWD has avg. 1.7 points per week more than you. In the case of you vs. Bazinga's its 15 points per week. My point is there is no perfect way to mirror the best indicator as to who the better team is. At least in a H2H tiebreaker you had two chances to match each other for two 7 day periods your players vs his players. If he beats you by 30 points in each match up why can't he make the claim that he deserves to be there over you? You have scored as many as 398 and as little as 211 in any given week (excluding the All-Star break period). Total points don't represent how well your team will perform in any given week, as much as the say how many points your team is capable of putting up in a given week. Throw away the 2 highest and 2 lowest weeks if you want to count total points.

 

first of all, i think 15 points a week seems like kind of a lot.

 

secondly, there actually is a perfect way to determine who the better team is...it's total points. is that really so crazy? if team A scores more points than team B over the course of a season, team A is better. really couldn't be much clearer.

 

and i don't really know what throwing out the 2 highest and 2 lowest weeks would prove.

[abuck1220]

one more thing...while i like the h2h format, it's not really your players against his players. i can't control (and neither can my players) what my opponents' players do. that's why this different than real sports.

 

if the cubs beat the cardinals 8 times out of 10 and they end up tied, then yeah, maybe the cubs should get it because the cardinals had their chance to face the cubs team vs. team and lost. it's not the same in fantasy sports. it's not my team's "fault" the other guy had a good week.

[shnsajax]

So in the case of you and RWD on a per week basis RWD has avg. 1.7 points per week more than you. In the case of you vs. Bazinga's its 15 points per week. My point is there is no perfect way to mirror the best indicator as to who the better team is. At least in a H2H tiebreaker you had two chances to match each other for two 7 day periods your players vs his players. If he beats you by 30 points in each match up why can't he make the claim that he deserves to be there over you? You have scored as many as 398 and as little as 211 in any given week (excluding the All-Star break period). Total points don't represent how well your team will perform in any given week, as much as the say how many points your team is capable of putting up in a given week. Throw away the 2 highest and 2 lowest weeks if you want to count total points.

 

first of all, i think 15 points a week seems like kind of a lot.

 

secondly, there actually is a perfect way to determine who the better team is...it's total points. is that really so crazy? if team A scores more points than team B over the course of a season, team A is better. really couldn't be much clearer.

 

and i don't really know what throwing out the 2 highest and 2 lowest weeks would prove.

 

I agree 15 is a lot but 1.7 isn't and should not be enough to consider 1 team better than the other. Throwing out several of the top and bottom weeks gets rid of anomalies. If team A throws a perfect game during the season does that prove he is better cause he has 50 more points than team B?

 

My point is there is no perfect system, and simply saying the most points means your team is better is not true.

[Guest]

I need to recount how many titles I've won. :)

 

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

[shnsajax]

I need to recount how many titles I've won. :)

 

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

 

I agree even though I shouldn't till next season ;-).

[abuck1220]

So in the case of you and RWD on a per week basis RWD has avg. 1.7 points per week more than you. In the case of you vs. Bazinga's its 15 points per week. My point is there is no perfect way to mirror the best indicator as to who the better team is. At least in a H2H tiebreaker you had two chances to match each other for two 7 day periods your players vs his players. If he beats you by 30 points in each match up why can't he make the claim that he deserves to be there over you? You have scored as many as 398 and as little as 211 in any given week (excluding the All-Star break period). Total points don't represent how well your team will perform in any given week, as much as the say how many points your team is capable of putting up in a given week. Throw away the 2 highest and 2 lowest weeks if you want to count total points.

 

first of all, i think 15 points a week seems like kind of a lot.

 

secondly, there actually is a perfect way to determine who the better team is...it's total points. is that really so crazy? if team A scores more points than team B over the course of a season, team A is better. really couldn't be much clearer.

 

and i don't really know what throwing out the 2 highest and 2 lowest weeks would prove.

 

I agree 15 is a lot but 1.7 isn't and should not be enough to consider 1 team better than the other.

 

yeah, it is. it's like the very definition of one team being better than the other.

 

Throwing out several of the top and bottom weeks gets rid of anomalies. If team A throws a perfect game during the season does that prove he is better cause he has 50 more points than team B?

 

yes. because that team has more points.

 

My point is there is no perfect system, and simply saying the most points means your team is better is not true.

 

yes, it is quite true. again, by definition.

[shnsajax]

Well congrats on having your opinion.

[moochpuppy]

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

 

I think between two teams the first tiebreaker should be H2H and the second tiebreaker should be totals points in their matchups against each other. In three way ties go H2H if you can then go with total points.

 

If H2H isn't your first tiebreaker then there really isn't any point of having a H2H league.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

 

I think between two teams the first tiebreaker should be H2H and the second tiebreaker should be totals points in their matchups against each other. In three way ties go H2H if you can then go with total points.

 

If H2H isn't your first tiebreaker then there really isn't any point of having a H2H league.

 

Agree with this line of thinking. It's a H2H points-based league, so the tie-breakers should go according to the basis of the league.

 

Division record should have no bearing on the playoff scenarios.

[abuck1220]

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

 

I think between two teams the first tiebreaker should be H2H and the second tiebreaker should be totals points in their matchups against each other. In three way ties go H2H if you can then go with total points.

 

If H2H isn't your first tiebreaker then there really isn't any point of having a H2H league.

 

this line of thinking makes no sense to me. it's a h2h league because we play each other every week. it's just as much a "points" league since that's how you win head to head matchups.

[moochpuppy]

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

 

I think between two teams the first tiebreaker should be H2H and the second tiebreaker should be totals points in their matchups against each other. In three way ties go H2H if you can then go with total points.

 

If H2H isn't your first tiebreaker then there really isn't any point of having a H2H league.

 

this line of thinking makes no sense to me. it's a h2h league because we play each other every week. it's just as much a "points" league since that's how you win head to head matchups.

 

So then what's the point? If it was a points league then the standings would be based on points, not record on H2H matchups.

 

How can you call it a "win" in a H2H matchup if at the end of the season you throw that out and say even though you won the H2H matchup it doesn't count because your opponent that you are tied with scored more points during the entire season? To me, that makes no sense.

[abuck1220]

while i think it's dumb, i don't have a huge problem with h2h being the first tiebreaker. it's very stupid, however, for division record to even be a factor.

[abuck1220]

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

 

I think between two teams the first tiebreaker should be H2H and the second tiebreaker should be totals points in their matchups against each other. In three way ties go H2H if you can then go with total points.

 

If H2H isn't your first tiebreaker then there really isn't any point of having a H2H league.

 

this line of thinking makes no sense to me. it's a h2h league because we play each other every week. it's just as much a "points" league since that's how you win head to head matchups.

 

So then what's the point? If it was a points league then the standings would be based on points, not record on H2H matchups.

 

How can you call it a "win" in a H2H matchup if at the end of the season you throw that out and say even though you won the H2H matchup it doesn't count because your opponent that you are tied with scored more points during the entire season? To me, that makes no sense.

 

and you don't "throw out" the win from the head to head matchup obviously. it still determines the standings. i just think it would be kind of silly for a team that outscores another by 700 points on the season or something to miss out on the playoffs because an inferior team luckily happened to have good weeks in 2 random weeks.

[tadowdaddy]

I think the tiebreaker between two teams with the same record should be head to head, but if there's a three way tie it should be total points.

 

I think between two teams the first tiebreaker should be H2H and the second tiebreaker should be totals points in their matchups against each other. In three way ties go H2H if you can then go with total points.

 

If H2H isn't your first tiebreaker then there really isn't any point of having a H2H league.

 

this line of thinking makes no sense to me. it's a h2h league because we play each other every week. it's just as much a "points" league since that's how you win head to head matchups.

 

So then what's the point? If it was a points league then the standings would be based on points, not record on H2H matchups.

 

How can you call it a "win" in a H2H matchup if at the end of the season you throw that out and say even though you won the H2H matchup it doesn't count because your opponent that you are tied with scored more points during the entire season? To me, that makes no sense.

 

and you don't "throw out" the win from the head to head matchup obviously. it still determines the standings. i just think it would be kind of silly for a team that outscores another by 700 points on the season or something to miss out on the playoffs because an inferior team luckily happened to have good weeks in 2 random weeks.

 

 

Well, if that team has the same record as you do, and they beat you two times, how can they really be considered inferior just because they have less points than you do? Maybe you had 3 or 4 huge weeks compared to their average weeks that put you that far ahead of them points wise. The fact is, they have the same record as you and beat you twice, so they're not that much inferior to you.

[abuck1220]

ugh, this is going nowhere. the team with the most points is the best team. it's math.

 

i don't really understand the inability to comprehend this.

[abuck1220]

Maybe you had 3 or 4 huge weeks compared to their average weeks that put you that far ahead of them points wise.

 

and maybe the team with fewer points just had TWO huge weeks and they happen to come in the weeks they were playing the better team.